"Takings Hits and Staying Vulnerable"

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This is Jimmy Nanette and of course Chevy is with us.

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I mean he's holding it down over there.

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You're putting your arm on your hip.

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It's because I've got my big man voice on.

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Wow.

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So I've got to posture myself.

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I'm like what?

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It's because you have the cool chair with the armrest.

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Oh so you're just like whoa.

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There's no armrest here.

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What am I supposed to do?

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Okay.

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So I'm.

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Do we need to buy another chair?

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Superman pose.

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We need two of these chairs.

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Yeah we do.

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We need to just take that one to the church.

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I feel like I'm in a child's chair.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't really fit me.

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You know I never sit at my desk anymore.

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I have a tiny booty and yet it's still almost bleeding over the sides.

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And it's mine but I never sit there anymore because I sit on the couch because Chevy wants

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to be beside me and he can't be beside me in that chair.

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Chevy's got to be on the couch so you've got to be on the couch.

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So a new chair is in our horizon.

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Yeah this one's going to go bye bye.

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Yeah because I don't have a place to put my arms so I have to do like a pose.

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That's funny because nobody is seeing you.

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What do I do with my arms?

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Nobody is watching you but me.

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It's posturing for my voice.

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It's kind of how you smile on the telephone with your eyes.

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You're hilarious.

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Okay.

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So I'm posturing myself for a big voice for the intro.

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Wow.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome to our weird life.

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I know we do have a weird life.

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Our weird dialogue.

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This is Jimmy and Annette.

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This is us.

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And this is called living up in a down world and that's what we're doing.

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I mean we look around the world today and it looks nuts out there.

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It seems like it's getting crazier and crazier.

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It is.

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And yet because of Jesus Christ we can live up in a down world.

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That's what's beautiful about it.

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Although I had a talk with Tina.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Last week was a little rough for me.

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You got a letter that was very hard to read.

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I don't know.

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Fan mail.

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Fan mail.

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It was not fan.

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No it wasn't.

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It was not.

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It didn't have anything to do with this podcast but it did have to do with your leadership

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in church.

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It was difficult.

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Ministry 101.

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Yes, it was very difficult to read and I had lunch with Tina.

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I said I just need to vent.

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I just need.

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There are things that come our way that can bring us down and she said you know we're

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allowed to be down.

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You just can't stay down.

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And I said you're right.

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You're real.

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I felt bad because here we are trying to live up in a down world and I'm down because I

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felt just I don't know violated just reading that.

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Yeah and it was obviously directed towards me.

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So for those of you who don't know this, Annette and I we pastor.

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I'm a senior pastor.

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She's my executive pastor.

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A great church, Bridge Church in Fredericksburg, Texas.

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And we've been here for seven and a half years.

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And on occasion I get stink mail.

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I mean hate mail.

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It's just it just comes with the territory.

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I don't know a pastor who doesn't get these every once in a while.

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And you know I learned a long time ago that you're and I'm going to be nice.

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You're darned if you do darned if you don't.

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I mean somebody's not going to like what you're doing.

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They don't like the way you do it.

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They don't like the way you preach the way you lead.

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I mean it seems like church folk always not all of church folk but there are some out

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there that that are just they're mean mean spirited and they complain and they whine and

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they send hate mail.

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And sometimes you just probably received maybe five in the 30 years I've known you.

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I mean literally.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But those just talk behind your back.

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Literally it's just it's still it never gets rough.

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Yeah it's hard.

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It's just you can have all these people just say you're amazing.

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I'm learning so much.

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And then one letter that just stinking thinking.

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Yeah.

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And it can just take painful take you out.

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Yeah.

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But to me it's always it's a test from my own heart of how I'm going to respond.

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You handled it better than I did.

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And it was directed towards you.

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And you I'm really proud of you.

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Thank you.

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You're really growing up honey.

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Well you have to get thick skin if you're going to be in the people world.

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Right.

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And so why is it hitting me so hard.

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I guess because I have that justice bone in me.

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You do.

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So I'm like no.

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And even a lot of the things that were said were not.

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They were lies.

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They weren't accurate.

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They it wasn't.

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They weren't lying but they just don't know the truth.

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Right.

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Right.

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And so it just it hurts.

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I don't.

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It's this is never going to get easy.

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No it's not.

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And it's part of being in ministry.

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And when you love with your heart big and we both have big loving hearts then and we're

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not talking criticism we're talking about downright judgment mean spirited stuff.

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It's just going to hit you hard.

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And here's the deal.

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We've made a choice.

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And for those of you listening today I mean it's easy when you take hits to just say you

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know what I'm going in my shell.

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I'm just going to I'm going to detach myself from people.

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I'm not going to get close to people in the church.

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And I actually had no pastors who have said that it's an unrighteous vow.

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They'll say things like you know it just hurts too much or it hurts my family too much.

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So we're going to take a step back and we're going to lead the church but we're not going

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to be buddies with anybody in the church.

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And and that and our heart leaders we've always been that way.

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It's painful sometimes when you lead from the heart.

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I just can't do it any other way.

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I don't want to do it any other way.

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I told Annette the day we can't lead from the heart or we don't the day we're not finding

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joy in the journey.

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And if we ever grow jaded we need to quit.

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We need to go do something else.

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And so I've been in this 38 years.

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You've been in it 28 years.

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And yeah I mean you take hits.

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But you know there's another side to this.

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Any leader in any profession is going to take hits.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I've been outside the church before for different organizations some nonprofits and some for

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profits.

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You were in the business world.

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I've never been anywhere where there's people gathered where someone's not complaining about

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leadership ever.

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That's true.

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And so so I sort of take it with a grain of salt.

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I do this actually though when I when something comes along I say I actually put it before

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the Lord and I say is there any kernel of truth in this?

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Do I have blind spots?

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Is there something?

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Exactly.

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Is there something I'm missing or is there something I did to create this?

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And I'm very open to the Lord and I try to be very vulnerable to that.

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And then and I did that with this and the Lord whispered to me what he's been saying

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to me now for nearly two years straight up.

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Stay the course.

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Stay the course.

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Don't change anything.

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I also learned this and we've talked about this many many times but the more you step

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out and we heard Bill Johnson say this on a sermon we were listening to today.

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The more you step out into faith endeavors the more hits you're going to take.

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The more resistance.

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Because there's a real enemy out there that wants to take you down.

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Real deal demonic dark malevolent world.

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Satan and his cohorts that he we all of us have a top a target on our back and the more

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we try to do for God and with God in cooperation with him the more hits when it puts a bigger

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target on our back.

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Right.

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And that comes with the territory.

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I've always believed this that the enemy likes to create these Pavlov responses.

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You remember the Pavlov's dogs experiment where you get locked into your thinking of

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every time I try to do something for God I take a hit.

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Every time I try to get going for God I get going on my walk with Christ.

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Something sets me back and it's it's it can become a trained response where you start

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to reason sometimes subconsciously not even consciously but under your your subconscious

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you're thinking well if that if every time I try to do something for God I'm going to

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get hurt then I'm going to quit trying to do it for God and you settle into this complacency

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and lethargy spiritually where you're no longer growing and you become stagnant and that and

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he's got you right where he wants you.

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Exactly vulnerable marginalized and you're marginalized.

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In effect.

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Yes exactly.

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So Annette and I we have had these conversations through the years of yes it hurts and on this

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particular day it sucks to be me.

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You know when you get that and yet my in fact my response usually is pedal to the metal.

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It's like when I take a hit like that I'm stubborn in this sense and only because I've

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been doing this for 38 years nearly four decades.

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That sounds like a long time doesn't it.

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And I've learned that you don't stop what you're doing because somebody doesn't like

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what you're doing because in this world there will always be somebody who doesn't like what

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you're doing and they need to move on.

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And I hate.

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I think what I found interesting about it is you know we've been in churches in the

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past especially before you were pastoring.

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I'm sure you've experienced this as well where you know maybe we attended a church and maybe

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they changed pastors and we just we didn't click with them.

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Right.

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So I don't send a letter and leave or leave and send a letter two months later.

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Cut the guy's heart out.

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We just move on or if someone asks instead of throwing the pastor under the bus we say

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you know it just God was just leading us somewhere else.

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There's just you know he has another plan but people don't necessarily do that.

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Your daggers in your belt.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Don't draw your sword.

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So that I think that was what was what was tough is.

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It was hard.

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It was a hard one.

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Yeah.

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And those are they're going to happen and it won't be the last one.

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The more we move the ball down the field our church is really growing right now.

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There's a lot of movement a lot of action.

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And I were talking about all the older people that are getting baptized.

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I know.

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Think about all the adults you know older adults.

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It's one thing having a bunch of children but there is just an excitement when you see

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older adults that are making a new decision rededicating their life or just they've decided

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they want to to put and make Jesus their Lord of their life and not just someone they know

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but actually you know become so much a part of their life that they're ready to get baptized

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or baptized again.

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It's really powerful.

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It's a new commitment.

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And her and I were talking about that the other day and I was just like it's so powerful.

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No wonder the enemy hates it.

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Yes he hates it.

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We're making a difference.

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People are getting disciple.

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People are getting born again and saved and turn their lives over to Jesus.

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We've got a big footprint in our community.

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I'm the president of the Misericles Alliance.

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So there's a lot of movement happening around us.

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We're seeing some favor on things we're doing and sure enough that garners the enemy's attention.

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It sure does.

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But here's the deal.

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I'm not backing off.

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I mean I'm just I'm not downshifting.

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I'm upshifting.

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I mean it's like that's just the way it is.

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The scripture is very clear.

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We put on the whole armor of God.

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You know helmet of salvation, breastplate of righteous, belt of belt of right.

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Breastplate of righteous, belt of truth, feet shod with preparation the gospel of peace.

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Pick up the sword of the spirit which is the word of God and the shield of faith.

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I mean this is what we do.

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The scripture is clear.

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We are in a battle not with other people but with entities that are not level and dark.

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And I think that's the key is to say that it's not the person.

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This person is a lovely wonderful person and that's why it hurts so much because you you

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think a lot about that person about how wonderful they are and how much potential there is for

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God to use them.

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And so you know you have to look past and like you said see the person in 3D and know

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that it's not that person that's coming against you.

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The enemy is just using that person.

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Tragedy is when someone gives into that spirit of criticism or spirit of anger, spirit of

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you know I don't like the way you do it so I'm going to come after you instead of saying

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you know what we're going to move on and maybe this isn't where we're supposed to be.

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I mean there are so many different flavors of church so to speak.

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And so not everybody I mean some people want a liturgical type church.

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Some people want traditional.

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Some people don't want instruments.

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They want just hymns without the instruments.

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Some people want full on contemporary music.

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You can't please everybody.

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All of those forms of worship and forms of methodology are valid in the kingdom of God.

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We need everybody.

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And it's beautiful.

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It's absolutely beautiful.

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It's like a tapestry.

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You look at a tapestry from the front.

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It's beautiful.

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You flip it over and see the back and it's all mangled tangled mess.

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But that's what produces the beauty.

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And so the beauty of the body of Christ is that there are different functions.

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And so when someone needs to leave they just need to go and go with blessing instead of

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cursing.

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You know go with a good spirit of saying you know what the reason we're not finding a home

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here is because this isn't our home.

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Let's go find our home but let's not take our swords out on the way out and do as much

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damage as possible instead because it's a small town.

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And in fact when we were in Nashville we're in a town of over a million people and yet

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you still frequent all the same places.

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So even though it's a big city you still end up at the same places.

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So it's big towns or small towns too because you still shop where you shop and you do what

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you do and you don't change all that because you've got a conflict with somebody.

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So you're eventually going to see somebody again and I've learned the hard way the hard

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way and I really mean that of not burning bridges in my life.

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Just not it's not worth it.

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God is a he's given us the ministry of reconciliation.

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He wants us to as much as possible live at peace with others.

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It's not always possible but as much as you know from your side whatever you can do.

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So I'm all about that up for that.

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So anyway so that that created for you even more so than me a lot of turmoil.

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It did.

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It really did.

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I think the reason it didn't impact me as much is because I kind of knew that family

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wasn't really ever into what we were doing.

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I really sense they weren't right along all.

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So it didn't surprise me.

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Well meanness did but hard for me because I think didn't I so appreciate your leadership.

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Thank you.

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And I trust your leadership.

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That means so much to me.

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Well and I love how vulnerable you are with people and sometimes that vulnerability can

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be your biggest enemy with people.

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And so it just it was hard and I'm vulnerable.

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I'm coming out of it but I can't say that I've just handled it.

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I mean I think I handled it well.

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I didn't get into a cave or put walls up.

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I told I told Tina I'm tempted to put walls up that that's that's that's going back to

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who I used to be.

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And I didn't I just allowed myself to just work through it.

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And God always proves himself so faithful.

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He does.

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He always does.

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Always.

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And he did.

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Yeah.

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And so the week ended better than it started.

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I'll just put it that way.

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But does it put you in a funk sometimes when you get crossed up with somebody.

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And so yeah God bless them.

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You know Tuesday talk about we brought in.

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Oh this is super cool.

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Layden and she is a life coach basically.

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I know you're going to listen to us.

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I love you and so appreciate what you did for our staff.

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She brought in the strength finders.

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Oh my goodness.

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We were able to to affirm each other and what I was huge.

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Our giftings our strengths are and even our weaknesses it was just so amazing to hear

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people say that's not your weakness.

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Yeah.

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That's just I see that as a strength.

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I saw all of us just walk out of this three and a half four hour meeting just bigger and

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better than when we came in bigger.

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We were bigger.

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We were.

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Our hearts were enlarged.

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Our view of ourselves was enlarged.

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We are bigger in a sense because we learn things about ourselves hearing feedback from

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others and so Peggy did a masterful job.

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I highly recommend her for any church or business.

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She needs to be doing this in churches.

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I know she's a great tool and she's been in the business world for a long time in the

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corporate world doing this with high level executives and teams.

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I could see massive value in churches for this.

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I know there are people who do that but Peggy just has a great spirit about her and she's

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a ball of energy.

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If I could only cap that and take some for myself.

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She just has a calling.

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That's the difference.

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She does.

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She's in her lane.

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They have jobs or careers because they went to school for that or it was once a calling

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and then later maybe not so much for her.

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Oh my goodness, you could see she was totally in her element and she was just dynamic and

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charismatic and just a really amazing person.

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I was so glad we got to know her that week.

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Me too.

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I would say this is a great example, even a great life lesson for all of us is if you

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can find your lane, if you find what brings you joy, sometimes a lot of people work jobs

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that they hate or they dislike or it doesn't bring them life, it doesn't bring them joy.

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Working for a paycheck is hard.

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It is.

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It's just hard.

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I like working for a purpose, not a paycheck.

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Purpose is what gets me up in the morning every morning early, early because I'm already

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excited about the day.

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Is Tina texting you?

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No.

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I'm just looking at my phone.

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I'm playing.

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I'm playing with you.

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But a lot of people work for a paycheck because we do.

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It's pay bills.

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This is the reality of the world we live in.

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You've got to pay bills.

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You've got to manage your life.

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But ultimately, you can only do that for so long before that adrenaline wears off and

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the joy wears off.

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Then you really have to find your calling and find your lane.

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I think that's one of the most important things that people need to understand is that God

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puts callings on people's lives.

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Calling is one of those nebulous terms that's hard to define.

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How do you know you're called to something?

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Well, it's because you can't think about anything else.

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You so love what you do.

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That's where I'm at with being a pastor is I get to do this even when I get hate mail

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or even when I get the nasty stuff because we're dealing with people.

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Hurt people hurt people.

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Broken people break people.

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Damaged people damage other people.

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When you're in the church world, you're working with a lot of broken and damaged people.

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That's going to happen.

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It's going to be directed at you.

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Nine times out of 10, it's not really coming at you.

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It was on your watch, but it usually goes back to trauma that people have had.

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Anyway, back to finding our calling.

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That's the thing is even if you're not in the ministry, you're still in the ministry.

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You're called.

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You have a call in your life to be a great mechanic or to be a great housewife or to

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be a great teacher, great attorney, great business leader, manager.

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Whatever you do, you drive a dump truck.

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Man, do it with excellence.

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Stay in your lane.

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I think for me, the reason why I just find so much joy in what we do is because I know

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I'm called to it.

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I think as you get older, you settle into your skin and you begin to realize this really

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is who I am.

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Every Sunday, so I preach twice a week on Sunday mornings.

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I preach two times back to back because we have two services.

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We always have a bumper video right before the sermon.

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It's just a way to get everybody back because we do a meet and greet and get everybody back

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to their chairs.

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It settles them in.

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It always has a message to it.

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It's usually about two minutes long.

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That gives me about two minutes.

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I sit on a stool off to the side of the platform while the video is going.

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That gives me a couple minutes to just take a breath and to say, Lord, I was born to do

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this.

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I'm doing what you created me to do.

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I always give thanks for that.

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Then I say, Lord, empower me.

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Just speak through me.

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By the time the end of that video is and I'm stepping up to the pulpit or walking out onto

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the platform, I'm already in the zone.

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It's because I know I'm doing what I'm called to do.

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I do it with a lot of passion and a lot of excitement.

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Anyway, that's it.

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She is in her lane.

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She is.

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Great example of somebody running in their lane.

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What she was saying, we do these, what do you call them?

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Tests or how do you?

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Personality assessments and these things.

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Yeah, the assessments.

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As she put them all together, our whole team, the thread that was evident, sorry about that,

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the thread that was evident in all of our team was relationship.

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That was telling.

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She plotted those out on a graph, all of our strengths, and the majority of those fell

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in that quadrilateral or quadrant of relationship.

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How wonderful is that?

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It wasn't that relationship was the worst or the lowest thing on the quadrilateral.

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It was number one.

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For a church, that's really important because we're dealing with people.

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Yes, there's business to be had, but we're dealing with people more than we're doing

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any of the other business.

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We need to have compassion and empathy for people.

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We need to love ministering to people and hearing their prayers, their problems, and

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being able to point them to the Word to give them resolve.

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Man, that was telling to me.

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It was very important.

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We've done this before in another church.

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I don't remember relationship being such a…

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We didn't have anybody help us unpack it like this.

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Peggy's very skilled at this.

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This is what she's called to do.

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I will say this is that one of the challenges we face as a church body as we grow because

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we're now over 500 pretty consistently right now.

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We're continuing to grow and see new people coming, which is wonderful.

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It's a lot of energy.

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It's exciting to see new faces and see people getting connected.

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However, the tricky part or the challenge for us, the tension is how do we still keep

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that friendly, warm, welcoming, relational atmosphere when the church now, I mean on

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any given Sundays over 500 or right at 500.

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That's a lot of people to keep.

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I can't remember his name.

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I'm meeting new people every week.

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That's just part of the cost of growing, but I still think you can have both.

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You can have a relational, warm, loving environment and still have larger numbers and whatnot.

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That's something that we're committed to is staying relational, being relational.

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Very important.

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That's more important than what I would say getting it done, getting things done or production

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and all those things.

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Production is not the right word, but performance.

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So yeah, it's keeping love the first thing.

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Have a God, love people.

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It's not that complicated, is it?

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So that was great.

502
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,880
That was a great, great part of our week, really high value there.

503
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,760
And then I just had some great meetings last week with individuals who were just wonderful

504
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,760
people.

505
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,040
I got to meet with a man in our church who initially he had some concerns.

506
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:16,700
He comes from a traditional church background and his name is George, wonderful guy, wonderful

507
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,560
guy in our church.

508
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,120
And we had some concerns just because I had mentioned in a sermon that I had been through

509
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,360
a divorce and I've told our story before, but they're a little bit newer to the church.

510
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,160
And so he wrote me and it wasn't even, I mean, it was a nice email just saying, I just wanted

511
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,160
to meet with you, just to talk about it.

512
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,440
He wanted to meet with me to say, Hey, I just, you know, I come from a traditional background

513
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,240
and you know, so love to talk to you.

514
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,360
And so I was a little concerned about it only because, you know, it's just, you've never

515
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:44,800
had anybody question.

516
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,240
No, no, I haven't.

517
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,240
So I was, I mean, I was looking forward to the meeting actually sitting down, but some

518
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,960
things came up where we couldn't meet.

519
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,960
So we had to put them off.

520
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,440
I mean, we, we, we, I think you put them off for like three weeks, three weeks.

521
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,640
And then we finally got together and it was so, so wonderful.

522
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Oh, you came back with just, oh my goodness.

523
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,400
Well, it was, it was neat.

524
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,320
Well, first of all, I wanted to hear his story too.

525
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,400
And he has a wonderful, compelling testimony and story.

526
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,880
But by the time I started talking about, you know, my background and what I went through

527
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,160
as far as a divorce and how the church we were at handled it and they were wonderful.

528
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,640
We had a great experience through that.

529
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,120
He was like, I'm good.

530
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,760
I, in fact, I wanted to tell you, I, I don't even, you know, when you map out, really talk

531
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,280
about it because I've been listening to your podcast and I've been hearing you tell your

532
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600
stories, especially Annette's story.

533
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,920
And he said, he quoted you, he said, Annette said this, God is a God of second chances.

534
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,240
And he said that really stuck out to him.

535
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,460
And he realized, and so it was, it was just one of those meetings that we just had the

536
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:51,200
best time and we're going to schedule another meeting just to go get lunch together and

537
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,680
hang out and get to know each other and walk together.

538
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,280
And that's, that's what I loved about that meeting versus the person who left the church

539
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,280
and scalded us.

540
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,840
And left a letter, but didn't want to meet with you in person.

541
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,440
And you actually asked to meet in person.

542
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,000
I had requested, I sent him a very, very nice note, just saying, Hey, we love you guys.

543
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,000
I hear you're leaving.

544
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,560
We want to bless you as you go.

545
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:20,680
And I mean, I was trying to be super positive and life had no idea they were angry and hateful.

546
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,640
So I just caught us off guard a little bit.

547
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,880
Doesn't over surprise us these days though.

548
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:32,440
I mean, we sing a lot in 38 years of doing this, but I was so appreciative of him and

549
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:40,360
how man just, we talked about grace, about having grace awakenings in our lives and,

550
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,000
and how God is indeed a God of second, third and fourth and fifth chances.

551
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Right?

552
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,080
So anyway, it turned out that that was a kind of redemptive piece, almost counteracted.

553
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,440
Maybe that's why I didn't take it so hard with that letter because it was like a counter

554
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,800
to that.

555
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,640
So anyway, we have so many wonderful people that speak life into us, but our hearts to

556
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,160
speak life into everybody and help everybody live up and down the world.

557
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
By the way, this is episode number 20.

558
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Shouldn't that be important?

559
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,360
I mean, you're no longer a teenager.

560
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,160
We're now, let's toast to 20.

561
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,160
Let's do it.

562
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,160
I need a refill though.

563
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,160
Cheers to 20.

564
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720
And it's not aloe vera juice.

565
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560
It is not aloe vera juice today.

566
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,080
It is actually little bubbly because we're celebrating.

567
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,080
We're celebrating.

568
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,560
And, but I need a refill.

569
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,560
I'm down to the last one.

570
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,560
I'm sorry.

571
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,560
You're doing a podcast.

572
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,560
You cannot walk away.

573
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,560
I'm going to leave you talking.

574
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,560
I'm going to get the bottle.

575
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,560
No, you're not.

576
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,560
It's in the other room.

577
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,560
You're fine.

578
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,560
You go get it.

579
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,560
You can wait.

580
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,560
You're funny.

581
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,560
So I'm excited though.

582
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,160
20, that's a big deal.

583
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,960
You know, Adam Curry's the pod father in podcasting.

584
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,040
He says things like, and I was reminded because somebody wrote me this today, actually on

585
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Twitter of all things, congratulating us for 20 episodes and said, as the pod father, Adam

586
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:06,200
Curry says, if you make 20 episodes, you're light years ahead of everybody else.

587
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,560
And most never even get to 20.

588
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,560
And why do you think they don't?

589
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Do they get discouraged?

590
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,840
I think they get discouraged.

591
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400
They maybe don't get feedback, you know, and maybe they feel like they're not making a

592
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,360
difference or maybe they, maybe they get down the road and realize they don't have anything

593
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,360
to say.

594
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Maybe there's, there's nothing left, but.

595
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Well, you're a preacher.

596
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,280
You're always going to have something to say.

597
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,280
Oh my gosh.

598
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,280
That is so the truth.

599
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,280
It is.

600
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,560
And I'm the guy that would not even give a book report in high school.

601
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,560
It doesn't even make sense.

602
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,560
It took zero.

603
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,560
No, it does.

604
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,920
Now my teacher was nice, but I did.

605
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920
I would not talk in front of my class.

606
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,920
I did.

607
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,920
The last thing I wanted was to get.

608
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,640
So this is totally a God thing that you're a totally a God thing.

609
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,480
It doesn't know you make sense.

610
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,800
So I'm just anyway, so I'm really happy about that.

611
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,800
20.

612
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,800
That's a big deal.

613
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,800
20 weeks.

614
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,880
Now we are going to take a break next week.

615
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,600
I think we can do it later in the week.

616
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,600
We just want to come back.

617
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,600
We'll have to do it.

618
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,760
When we get back, we're going to be going to Nashville.

619
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,040
So you want to tell them about what we're doing?

620
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,040
Yeah.

621
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,040
I'm excited about us going to the K-Love Awards fan awards event.

622
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,080
It's a big three day event.

623
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,080
Red carpet.

624
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,080
Red carpet.

625
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,240
So you have to dress up.

626
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,240
I'm cool with that.

627
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,240
How can I spend my clothes?

628
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,560
I'm really excited because you actually agreed to let me buy you.

629
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:27,800
I bought you two suits, a pair of slacks, and then yesterday four jackets.

630
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,800
Well we're not going to keep four jackets.

631
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,800
No, we're keeping.

632
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,840
No, I got all different ones, all different kinds.

633
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Wow, super cool.

634
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,800
You're going to start dressing up at church.

635
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,800
Just a little bit.

636
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,800
I am.

637
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,800
I'm taking it up a notch.

638
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,800
You're not 30 anymore.

639
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,800
What?

640
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,800
No, I know.

641
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,800
I'm 19 in my mind.

642
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,840
I know, and that's why it's time to put away the old clothes and put on some nice ones.

643
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,960
So let me be clear.

644
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,680
We're talking a nice jacket with sharp jeans and shoes.

645
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Unless you want to wear slacks because you want to.

646
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,360
That would be rare.

647
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,960
I am a jeans guy.

648
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Okay.

649
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Jeans and slacks.

650
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,680
But I'm glad to wear a jacket because it hides my peace.

651
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Yes.

652
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,680
I'm carrying my gun.

653
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Oh my gosh.

654
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Are you going to start carrying your gun?

655
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,680
I'm carrying.

656
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,680
You bet I'm carrying.

657
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,680
But you don't when you're up there preaching.

658
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,680
No, I don't.

659
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,680
You don't need to.

660
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,680
I do know of preachers that they'll keep a gun in their pulpit, like on the shelf.

661
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Really?

662
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Yes.

663
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,680
Wow.

664
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,680
We have enough people that are carrying this.

665
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Oh my gosh.

666
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,920
We don't call 911 in Fredericksburg, Texas.

667
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,920
That's for sure.

668
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,920
Oh my gosh.

669
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,920
I'm more worried about the crossfire if something ever happens.

670
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Friendly fire they call it.

671
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,520
We have more women that pack.

672
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,520
Yes we do.

673
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,520
Okay.

674
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,520
Let's go back to our stories.

675
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,520
We're going to the K Love Fan Awards.

676
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,520
We're leaving.

677
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,520
In Nashville.

678
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,520
This weekend.

679
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,520
We'll be gone for a few days.

680
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,520
We're going to see family while we're there.

681
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,520
We're extending our time.

682
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,600
I had my first facial today.

683
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,600
Haven't had a facial.

684
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,600
How's that going?

685
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,160
I don't even know if I've ever had a facial.

686
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,160
How does it feel?

687
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Do you feel any different?

688
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,160
I don't know.

689
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Just having someone... Let me feel your face.

690
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:01,840
It's soft.

691
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Hold on.

692
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,840
It's soft.

693
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,840
It's like a baby's body.

694
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Yes it is.

695
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Just hydrated.

696
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,840
I really needed hydration.

697
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,160
Anyway, I went to Gilded Palm Spa in Fredericksburg.

698
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,160
Jennifer Marshall is phenomenal.

699
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,560
She gave me the best.

700
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,680
She doesn't just do the face.

701
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,360
She massages your shoulders and your neck.

702
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,080
She was wonderful.

703
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:39,960
She talked to me about the podcast and how now she feels like she can trust us because

704
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
she's gotten to know us through the podcast.

705
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:49,840
She asked me, who is the artist that you're going to fangirl over?

706
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,440
At the award show.

707
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440
I don't know.

708
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880
There's so many that are going to be there.

709
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,720
She said for her, Lauren Daigle.

710
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,720
Right.

711
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,720
I said, yeah.

712
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,720
That's amazing.

713
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,720
I think she is phenomenal.

714
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,720
A phenomenal artist.

715
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,720
I don't fangirl her.

716
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Okay.

717
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Who are you excited to see?

718
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,760
I'm obviously excited to see the Mercy Me Bros.

719
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,240
Well yes, because we're friends now.

720
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Yeah.

721
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,240
Definitely glad to be excited.

722
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Kane is hosting it.

723
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,240
Kane.

724
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,240
Yeah, they're good.

725
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,360
I'm excited to see how they are.

726
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:31,000
I'm more excited about the spectacle, the atmosphere of it than just seeing a specific band or

727
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,640
group or individual.

728
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,240
There's a lot of concerts that we're going to be attending that are just for the people

729
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,080
who signed up for the three day package.

730
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,280
We signed up for it a year ago.

731
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280
I don't know.

732
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,800
I told her that was a hard one because there are so many amazing artists out there.

733
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:56,480
For me, it's just the celebration of worship and music and celebrating this genre of music

734
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,000
and with some of the top people in their field.

735
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,720
These are world class musicians, artists, and singers and they're followers of Jesus.

736
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,960
To be in an atmosphere like that, it's just exciting.

737
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,460
I just love music so much.

738
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:16,160
It's such a massive... Today, you went and got your facial.

739
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,400
I picked up my guitar and I put it down when I heard you walk in the door.

740
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,320
I played for two hours, two hours because I love music so much.

741
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,120
God has always spoken to me through music.

742
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,040
I never lack for anything to do because I just pick up guitar and play.

743
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,200
I love celebrating other artists so I'm really looking forward to this.

744
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,040
I keep saying, I'm using the word, I'm going to nerd out there, but I'm a music nerd.

745
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,440
I'm looking forward to... Is it David Nasser that is speaking?

746
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,040
Is that his name on Sunday morning?

747
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,320
I can't remember his name.

748
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,520
I know who you're talking about.

749
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,520
We watched... He's sharp.

750
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,000
We watched a head talk with him or something.

751
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,680
He is very sharp.

752
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,680
Very sharp.

753
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,720
He was a Muslim.

754
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:59,720
Refugee.

755
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:00,720
Yeah.

756
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,720
Man, radically saved.

757
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:07,600
I had to know the cross and it's changed his life and he went to work for Liberty University.

758
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,840
He was a campus pastor there.

759
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080
This guy is sharp.

760
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,080
He's sharp.

761
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,640
I'm really looking forward to hearing more of his testimony.

762
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,640
Me too.

763
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,640
I think that's going to be good.

764
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Hey, speaking of that, I want to transition here a little bit because Doyle Fivik wrote

765
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,520
us.

766
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,000
I reached out on Facebook platforms and said, hey, you have any questions or topics you'd

767
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,080
like for us to talk about?

768
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,120
We'd love to just field some stuff.

769
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:39,200
So Doyle wrote... Doyle is a precious friend, a lover of God and he's our propane guy.

770
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,920
He has a propane company here.

771
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,920
Great.

772
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,920
Quick.

773
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,920
Oh yeah, he's wonderful.

774
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Yes, he's wonderful.

775
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,920
Highly recommend.

776
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,920
I mean, just awesome.

777
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,920
Propane, yeah, here in Central Texas.

778
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,080
He wrote, what couple Bible studies do you recommend and how do you two study together?

779
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,080
That's a great question.

780
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,400
It is.

781
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,000
So I'll say this.

782
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,880
We don't recommend a couple Bible study per se.

783
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,080
There were some books that we've done together that were really compelling for us.

784
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:19,320
One, I only recommend to married couples, not singles because I'm just saying it's definitely

785
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,720
for married folk only.

786
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,720
It's called Lovemaking.

787
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:22,720
That was really good.

788
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,720
Do you remember who the author was?

789
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:25,720
No, I don't.

790
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,880
You may look that up while we're chatting.

791
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,200
This is really good.

792
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:35,880
For married couples, this book, I mean, it gets it down in the details of the nitty gritty,

793
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,880
you know what I'm saying?

794
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,880
Intimacy.

795
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,880
Yeah, intimacy.

796
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,880
You can say that word, honey.

797
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,880
It's a better word than nitty gritty.

798
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,880
I'm going to look that up while you…

799
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Well, for us, as far as what we do together, we listen to preachers.

800
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680
We watch different preachers.

801
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Typically, every time we go to work out, you listen to music most of the time.

802
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,120
Some of the time you listen to preaching.

803
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,720
I listen to preaching almost every single time.

804
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:07,840
And then I'll say, okay, we need to listen to this.

805
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,880
This is helpful for us.

806
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,200
And then we'll come home or we'll listen to it on the way home.

807
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,200
Which we did today.

808
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,200
Which we did today.

809
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,680
We have a little drive, about 25 minutes from the gym to our house because we live outside

810
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,680
of town.

811
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,680
It was perfect timing.

812
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,720
And we listened to Bill Johnson today.

813
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,760
Bill is the pastor at Bethel Church in Redding, California.

814
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,320
And he just lost his wife this last year.

815
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,760
Man, just a hard, hard thing.

816
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,400
Lost her to a… lost her fight of cancer.

817
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,640
Or she battled to the end.

818
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,640
Let me put it that way.

819
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,640
She didn't lose anything.

820
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
She's now in the presence of Jesus.

821
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,280
But that book is called Love Making and it's by Dr. Dan and Linda Wilson.

822
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,280
Okay, yes.

823
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,280
Great.

824
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,280
So good.

825
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,280
Great book.

826
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,280
Really helped us on some things.

827
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,280
So, you're looking at your phone.

828
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Well, I'm looking because I'm looking at the name of the sermon that we listened to.

829
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,260
It's called The Devil's Strategy.

830
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:04,480
It just caught my attention.

831
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,280
I was just going through YouTube.

832
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Just looking at my favorite pastors.

833
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,840
Dr. Jen, Jim?

834
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,220
And I saw this, The Devil's Strategy.

835
00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:14,040
I was like, oh, okay.

836
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,240
This is a good listen.

837
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,400
A good reminder.

838
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,780
And so, I told you about it and we listened to it all the way home.

839
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:24,800
I listened to it again as I was driving.

840
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,800
You can't listen.

841
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,800
I can't…

842
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,800
I'm sorry.

843
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,360
I can't hear something one time and take it in and be, okay, that's great.

844
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,360
I like to…

845
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,560
You get different nuggets every time you listen.

846
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,920
I hear something different or I hear something that will just speak to me at that moment.

847
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,540
So I like to listen to things over and over.

848
00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:43,540
And so it was powerful.

849
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:46,160
I think you and I are going to listen to it again even.

850
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,160
It was that good.

851
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960
I was like, well, Bill Johnson is so deep.

852
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,500
So what we're sharing with you all is how we do it.

853
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:55,240
So it's not a one size fits all.

854
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,860
You've got to find out what works for you.

855
00:38:56,860 --> 00:39:01,040
And through the years we found we tried doing things together, like sitting at the table

856
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,240
in the morning and stuff.

857
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,640
And we're just not wired that way.

858
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,640
It doesn't work for us.

859
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,880
But we're more, you go spend time with God and reading, study, listening.

860
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,880
I'll go do that.

861
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,280
And then we come back together and it's on.

862
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,280
I mean, we're like...

863
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,280
Then we can talk about it.

864
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,280
Even if it's too separate.

865
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,280
It's always fascinating.

866
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,000
Because I do a devotion every morning.

867
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Right now I'm doing the blessed life with Robert Morris.

868
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,440
And I write a devotion every morning.

869
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,160
And it's on you version.

870
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,880
And so we talk about if something really stuck out, then we'll talk about that.

871
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:35,160
But most of the time we turn on, we're either listening to it in our car or we come home

872
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,160
and turn on YouTube.

873
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,340
And we'll watch a sermon.

874
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:44,600
And then sometimes like the last few days we've been watching worship.

875
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,600
We love worship.

876
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,880
And so there's some great...

877
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,320
The production values are so high now.

878
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:58,280
And so you go to YouTube and you can just search for Gateway Worship.

879
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Or you can watch the worship service before the message when Pastor Robert Morris preaches.

880
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,360
We love Pastor Robert Morris.

881
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,040
He's one of our favorite preachers, teachers.

882
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,760
And just love him dearly.

883
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,080
And we listen to him every week that he's teaching or preaching.

884
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,760
And sometimes we'll go back in archives and pull out stuff.

885
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,120
Because he really is a mentor from afar for me.

886
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,280
Has been for many years, decades actually.

887
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,480
And so we love him.

888
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,880
But we love the worship there at Gateway Church in South Lake up in the Dallas, Fort Worth

889
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,240
area.

890
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,440
And we've been there many, many times.

891
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
We spent time there during one of our transitions.

892
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,240
And then we're also a part of the Gateway Church's network.

893
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:46,240
So we're already a part of them in that sense and a partner sense.

894
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,600
So sometimes we'll just pull up and I'll just randomly...

895
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,600
They do nights of worship.

896
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,960
They call it a night of worship.

897
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,000
And we'll just pull that up, which we did the other night.

898
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,360
We watched a lot of worship.

899
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360
Just to let it...

900
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,360
Just infiltrate our home.

901
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,360
And it's just beautiful.

902
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,920
And to just prepare our hearts for worship the next day.

903
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:12,520
I'm a firm, firm, hardcore believer in I don't want to wait till Sunday morning to get ready

904
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,520
to worship.

905
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,280
I want to be so rested.

906
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,120
I resist doing things on Saturdays with other people.

907
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,240
And it doesn't always work out that way.

908
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,920
We end up doing it and I always regret.

909
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,280
I always love people that we're with, but I'm always physically tired.

910
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680
But Saturday night is tough because you want to be fully...

911
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,680
I want to be focused.

912
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,920
And so we're also...

913
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Man, we're months now into our no TV purge.

914
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,600
We're not anti-TV.

915
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,320
So don't hear what we're not saying.

916
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,160
I mean, everybody... it's not one size fits all.

917
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Exactly.

918
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,880
For us, we were like, this is just...

919
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520
It was just taking over too much of our time.

920
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,520
And attention.

921
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,360
And so we're months into that now and we're just not going back.

922
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,320
I mean, our dish network is up.

923
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,800
It's going to go bye-bye.

924
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,800
It's leaving.

925
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,800
It's out of here.

926
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,800
I am, yes.

927
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,360
Because nowadays you can get so much on YouTube.

928
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,800
We like documentaries and stuff.

929
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,760
In fact, we watched a powerful documentary.

930
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,360
Oh man.

931
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,440
Wow.

932
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,960
It's called Affirmation Generation.

933
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,960
It's on YouTube.

934
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,960
It's about an hour and a half.

935
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,040
I highly recommend it.

936
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,680
And it's dealing with the trans issue.

937
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Which you talked about in church on Sunday.

938
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,120
I did talk about that on Sunday.

939
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,880
So yeah, we're skipping around a little bit, but that's good.

940
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,880
So on Sunday, I talked about Jonah.

941
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,120
I've never preached on Jonah before.

942
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,760
I don't think I've ever heard preaching on Jonah.

943
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:44,240
I mean, I remember as a child, everybody knows about Jonah and the fish.

944
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,520
We've all had Sunday school lessons.

945
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,040
But I honestly don't believe I've ever heard a preacher preach on the book of Jonah.

946
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,040
I don't think I have either.

947
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Not that I can remember.

948
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,040
It doesn't mean it hasn't.

949
00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:01,600
And the way you used it as relevance as to what's going on in our world right now, you

950
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
did an amazing, beautiful job.

951
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Thank you.

952
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,720
I think Jonah, as I read through the narrative of the book, it's only four chapters.

953
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,480
It's a very small book.

954
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,040
And that's not one that we just go, oh, I want to read the book of Jonah.

955
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,040
It's not one you just turn to.

956
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,400
No, because you think, oh, I know this story.

957
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,440
But do we really know this story?

958
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,640
Great, great, compelling event that happened.

959
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,840
And we get all caught up in the belly of it.

960
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,760
You know, he's three days in the belly of a fish.

961
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,280
Was it literal or was it figurative?

962
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,280
It doesn't matter.

963
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,320
It doesn't change the story.

964
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:38,180
The issue was that God told him to go preach to a city called Nineveh and he refused.

965
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:40,720
Because he was having to let them know how...

966
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:41,720
He was angry.

967
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:46,080
Well, the whole point of it is God wanted him to preach to this evil city, to tell them

968
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,640
how evil they were and they needed to repent.

969
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,080
And so why is he angry about doing that?

970
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Was he afraid of the backlash?

971
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,280
He did not want them to repent.

972
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,560
He wanted judgment.

973
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,640
Because he is a guy of justice and he's like, you know what, they just need to...

974
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,640
He's a prophet.

975
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,740
And a lot of times that prophetic edge can overtake love because he so wants the justice

976
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:10,740
of God.

977
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:17,080
See, I have that justice bone in me, but I don't necessarily want harm for people though.

978
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,080
But boy, he did.

979
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,560
I know a lot of people who do though.

980
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:26,080
I know a lot of Christians who are so angry at what's happening in the world that it overrides

981
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,080
their Christianity.

982
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,480
They forget who they are and they forget who God is, which is what happened to John.

983
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,480
It's so hard to understand that.

984
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,480
My mind can't...

985
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,420
I guess I have too much compassion and empathy for people.

986
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:40,160
So I want them to change.

987
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,660
I don't want them to burn.

988
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:44,300
We have got to be lovers.

989
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:46,600
We got to be radical lovers.

990
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,240
Francis Chan wrote a book a number of years ago called Crazy Love.

991
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,320
And it's a great book, but I just...

992
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,720
The title is compelling.

993
00:44:53,720 --> 00:45:00,920
Crazy, I mean, we got to be crazy lovers of people and before them, not against them.

994
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,720
So on the trans issue, which is huge right now, it's just, man, I'm not even going to

995
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,300
commentate on that because comment on it because it's not even worth going into.

996
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:19,960
But we've got to look past the makeup and the gender pronouns and all the different

997
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:26,480
things to see there's a human being behind all of that that's broken.

998
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,840
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

999
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,600
I think he had a great fall.

1000
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,360
All the king's horses, all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again, but God

1001
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,360
can.

1002
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,320
And that's where we've got to say, you know what?

1003
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,760
I'm going to look past your behavior.

1004
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,400
People look past mine to lead me to Christ.

1005
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,560
I wasn't doing that, but I was doing other things that I shouldn't have been.

1006
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:56,040
They saw something in me that beyond my behavior, shared the gospel with me, the good news,

1007
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,280
I became a Christian follower of Christ and God began to kill those things away.

1008
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:06,640
We need to be okay about having a cause and coming to the table with.

1009
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,840
Yeah, I want to be clear about that.

1010
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,120
We need to speak up.

1011
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,080
We do need to speak up, but we need to do everything in love, not this hatred that we're

1012
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,080
seeing.

1013
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,200
We need to speak the truth in love.

1014
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Christians can be the worst.

1015
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,200
I can be mean.

1016
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:28,160
And it bothers me so much that we can have this hatred because that totally goes against

1017
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,160
what Jesus said.

1018
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,880
He said, love your enemies.

1019
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,000
It's an anti-Christ spirit in work.

1020
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,680
In Christians, in people.

1021
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,040
Because they're so offended by somebody's choices or by their behaviors that it overrides

1022
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,800
their identity in Christ and they forget who God is, which is exactly what happened to

1023
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,800
Jonah.

1024
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,800
And that's why it's so relevant.

1025
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,320
Because Jonah is just us and we're Jonah.

1026
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,860
He was divinely human.

1027
00:46:53,860 --> 00:47:00,160
What I love about, he ended up after he was in the belly of the fish, he ended up back

1028
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,960
in Nineveh and he did what God told him to do and they all repented.

1029
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,960
The king repented.

1030
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Even the king turned and they said they're going to work.

1031
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,400
The whole city is going to worship the one true God.

1032
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,600
And on the heels of that, Jonah was still mad.

1033
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Still mad.

1034
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,600
He was angry.

1035
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,800
Because God didn't strike him down like he said he was going to.

1036
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,800
They repented.

1037
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,800
He relented.

1038
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,800
He didn't want them to repent.

1039
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,880
See, you can't say God hasn't relented.

1040
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,280
That's why prayer is important, Jimmy.

1041
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,280
It is.

1042
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,120
So many people say, well, what does it matter?

1043
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,520
God's going to do what he wants to do.

1044
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,200
No, God relented.

1045
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,280
They repented.

1046
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,280
He relented.

1047
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,280
Yes, that's huge.

1048
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,000
That's huge because I look at our own country and I hear people say it all the time is,

1049
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,000
man, this is too far gone.

1050
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,000
It's just going to get worse.

1051
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,000
It's just going to get worse.

1052
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,000
I'm like, no, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1053
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Man, read the Bible.

1054
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Don't give up here.

1055
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Exactly.

1056
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,040
You know, they thought that about Nineveh and look what happened.

1057
00:47:53,040 --> 00:48:01,080
And so, yeah, so it was an opportunity to talk about us becoming for real crazy lovers

1058
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:06,560
where we love people beyond politics and beyond which side of the aisle you're on.

1059
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,760
We can still speak out.

1060
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,240
Absolutely.

1061
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,760
About causes that go against what the Bible says.

1062
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,760
Speak the truth.

1063
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,240
There is a way to do it.

1064
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:17,240
It's your tone.

1065
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:18,240
It's motive.

1066
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:19,240
It's the heart.

1067
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,240
Yes.

1068
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,200
Tone and motive, it's everything.

1069
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,680
And I mean, people can tell me just about anything if they do it in love.

1070
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,680
I can take it.

1071
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,480
But if you've got a bad dude tone, I mean, I won't give you a...

1072
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,480
You won't even listen to it.

1073
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,480
No, I won't.

1074
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,480
No one else will either.

1075
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,480
Right.

1076
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,480
And so, you know, we're not listening today.

1077
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,480
We get behind a keyboard.

1078
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,480
We suddenly become bold.

1079
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,960
You know, we say stupid stuff.

1080
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,760
And then we wonder why the world's not changing and we're mad.

1081
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,080
And it's just tragic because that's not what we're called to.

1082
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,560
We're called to love.

1083
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:54,000
And so back to Doyle's question, I mean, this got us talking.

1084
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,120
Reading the book of Jonah, talking about the message, that's how Annette and I...

1085
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,960
The Bible says, as iron sharpens iron, so one friend sharpens the countenance of another.

1086
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,080
And so when you get iron back and forth, iron sharpening iron, and that's how our relationship

1087
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,080
is.

1088
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,000
So, yeah, I did...

1089
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,080
I preached the message, but we've unpacked it since, just like we just did, where we're

1090
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,640
talking back and forth, stepping on each other's sentences and finishing each other's sentences

1091
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,760
because we get excited about what God is speaking through the word.

1092
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,600
And so we have favorite preachers that we love.

1093
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:34,600
For one, Pastor Robert Morris, Gateway Church, Pastor Bill Johnson, really highly recommend

1094
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,840
you dive into Bill Johnson.

1095
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,840
Boy, he is deep.

1096
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,840
He is not flashy.

1097
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,440
He is not flashy, but my goodness, he has got revelation.

1098
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,560
He is so good.

1099
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,560
And those are our two favorite.

1100
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,040
I mean, we'll spot listen to others.

1101
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040
We love Joyce Meyer.

1102
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Joyce is...

1103
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,040
We love Joyce.

1104
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,040
She just tells it like it is.

1105
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,040
She's just...

1106
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,000
That's why you love her so much, because you like that.

1107
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,040
So that's what we do.

1108
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,480
We love to listen to messages and we love to watch worship, particularly Gateway Worship's

1109
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,840
our favorite per se.

1110
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,840
But I like it all.

1111
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,040
I mean, I really get a lot out of a lot of different ones.

1112
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,400
And so how do we two study together?

1113
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,400
We don't.

1114
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,000
We talk.

1115
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,360
We study and we get in the word apart from one another.

1116
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,200
We come back and what's God saying?

1117
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,200
What's God saying?

1118
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,200
And we do what we just did for 10 minutes.

1119
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,480
We go back and forth and we get excited and we talk over one another because we're so

1120
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,160
excited about what God's up to.

1121
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,640
So I hope that helps.

1122
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,400
We got to find what works for you.

1123
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,760
We do some things together.

1124
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,840
We read through the Bible, do that two years.

1125
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,000
Two years through the Bible.

1126
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Every night.

1127
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,920
And we read through the Bible together in two years.

1128
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,280
And that was a great experience.

1129
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,880
That's the first time we've ever done anything like that together.

1130
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:48,880
Yeah, like that.

1131
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
We've done things separately, but not together.

1132
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
It was really good.

1133
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,000
And we talked about it.

1134
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Do you want to do it again?

1135
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Nah, nah, me either.

1136
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,000
It was great.

1137
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,160
And we'll probably revisit it another time.

1138
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,820
I mean, maybe next year, but we'll see.

1139
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:01,280
So that was a good one.

1140
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,400
Another what?

1141
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,320
I think it's, how long have we been going now?

1142
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,320
Okay.

1143
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,320
Yeah.

1144
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,320
I think you should wait on that one till next week.

1145
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,320
Okay.

1146
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,320
Yeah, we can pick these up.

1147
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,080
We got a lot, a lot of people.

1148
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,080
Yeah.

1149
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,080
We appreciate it.

1150
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,960
And I would invite you, if you're listening to the show, feel free to reach out to us.

1151
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,160
You can go to our website.

1152
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,880
It's super simple to find, livingupandadownworld.com.

1153
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,880
And you can give us feedback.

1154
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,480
You can do a review.

1155
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,480
That's beautiful.

1156
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,520
If you leave a review for us, that's helpful.

1157
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,840
But we want to hear from you.

1158
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,840
You can write us.

1159
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,840
You can even do a voicemail.

1160
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,280
We had a friend of mine, Tommy, Tommy Hayes left a voicemail on our website.

1161
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,280
Oh, he did.

1162
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,280
You can do that?

1163
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,280
It's actually very cool.

1164
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,280
Wow.

1165
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,280
Yeah.

1166
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,280
It said you have a voicemail.

1167
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,280
I didn't even realize it and I picked it up.

1168
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,280
It was Tommy.

1169
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,280
And if you give us your email address, we'll send you a newsletter.

1170
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,560
We're going to start putting together a newsletter.

1171
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,560
Yeah.

1172
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,400
I've already did one preliminary newsletter just to get the, set up a template and get

1173
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,400
the ball rolling.

1174
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,800
And then we're going to, we've got some things we're going to add to it.

1175
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,400
So we're just waiting for those elements and we'll start doing that on an ongoing basis.

1176
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,360
We'll keep you up to speed with what's happening and also how you can support the show.

1177
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,320
I mean, really it's, I mean, value to you.

1178
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,320
There's value to value.

1179
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,320
That's right.

1180
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,320
Yeah.

1181
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,320
Value for value.

1182
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:18,920
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1183
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,840
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1184
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,240
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1185
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:28,720
download fountain.

1186
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,560
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1187
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:38,440
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1188
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,440
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1189
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,440
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1190
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,160
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1191
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:49,440
It's just two guys doing this whole website and they continue to improve it.

1192
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,320
And some of your, the best podcasts in the world, like living up in a down world, no

1193
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,480
agenda, curry and the keeper, which congratulations to Adam and Tina Curry.

1194
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,440
They are now doing that on a weekly basis.

1195
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,440
That's a big deal.

1196
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,440
It is.

1197
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,440
Every other week.

1198
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,440
I don't know how he does it.

1199
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,200
He does like four other podcasts.

1200
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,280
Now she's having to work and she complained.

1201
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,520
He pulled her out of retirement.

1202
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,520
Like, okay.

1203
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,520
That's so fun.

1204
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,520
So funny.

1205
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,240
Um, so those are two, there's some great podcasts.

1206
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,240
We're on there obviously.

1207
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,840
And, uh, so yeah, we're going to do it.

1208
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,380
A live podcast together.

1209
00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:25,380
This is going to be crazy.

1210
00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:26,960
We have curry and the keeper.

1211
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:32,000
We're doing a, we're calling it a crossover crossover crossover event, you know?

1212
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,080
So that is, we're all chatty and you get us all together.

1213
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
It's over.

1214
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,400
I'm just, it's going to be, I'm telling you all of us sitting in a room.

1215
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,680
It's no telling, no telling where that's going to go.

1216
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,000
I mean, that could end up being a four hour show, but kidding, but it will be, it will

1217
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000
be alive.

1218
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,080
I'm just, so we're going to do it live.

1219
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,640
So we're waiting there.

1220
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,640
They're doing their weekly.

1221
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,320
Now they're going to get in the groove of that.

1222
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,800
Then they're going to go live weekly, which I would like to do.

1223
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:01,800
I know you would.

1224
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,200
It's not over the excited about that.

1225
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,720
She still likes the idea that we can edit.

1226
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,160
I can say, Hey, stop that.

1227
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,160
I don't like that.

1228
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,640
Let's just start all over.

1229
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,080
Don't use that guy's name.

1230
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,000
So, um, so yeah, yeah, we'll see.

1231
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,000
I'm getting closer.

1232
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,000
Yeah.

1233
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,280
You're leaning into it, but we want to tell you how much we love and value you and appreciate

1234
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,280
you again.

1235
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,000
It's so good to hear from y'all and just keep it coming.

1236
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,460
We want to meet you want to hear from you.

1237
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:28,360
If you have questions, please feel free.

1238
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,560
And, uh, and man, we would love to hear, hear what you're up to.

1239
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,840
So anyway, so this is Jimmy and Annette and we are living up in a down world.

1240
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,040
Mr. Chevy has been with us the whole time, by the way.

1241
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,840
Oh, he has been chilled out.

1242
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,640
He had his chin up on the sound asleep.

1243
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,640
I wish people could see him.

1244
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,640
I know.

1245
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,640
I love you.

1246
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,640
We could go video for this.

1247
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,400
We could go live video, do a video.

1248
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,400
No, stop.

1249
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,400
Just kidding.

1250
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,400
I love you more.

1251
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,360
I love you more.

1252
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,360
So much more.

1253
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,360
I love you.

1254
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,360
You're awesome.

1255
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,360
See y'all next week.

1256
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,360
Next week on living up in a down world.

1257
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,360
Remember, we're going to be a little bit late next week, so don't, don't panic.

1258
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,360
We'll be with you.

1259
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:21,720
Bye.