"Steve Coded for 15 Minutes and Saw What Few Have Seen"

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All right. So good to have you guys here today.

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What a night last night with Adam and Tina Curry,

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my wife and Ned, and we all went out for some

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steaks and amazing conversations. So glad you

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guys are here. Oh, my goodness. Revival in the

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restaurant, Sopra's Grill in Bernie, Texas. And

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we had such a good time, and I'm still buzzing

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from it, actually. I had a hard time going to

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sleep. Annette just conked right out. She's tired.

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Same thing happened to Bev. She conks out. I'm

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up with my eyes wide open. I almost felt like

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I had a spiritual release. Oh, totally. I don't

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know. Okay, Adam and I on the way back, Adam

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sat in the front seat with me and Tina rode in

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the back seat. So they're talking, we're talking.

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Adam kept saying, there's something special about

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Beverly. There is something on her. He said,

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the Holy Spirit is all over her life right now.

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And I'm like, I know. She had the, remember that

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commercial, the high pro glow, you know, the

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dog food commercial? You've got that glow. I

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mean, literally the Holy Spirit. And it's really

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cool. We were talking about how, and we'll get

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into this in a minute, but, you know, this is

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all just pre -show. But y 'all's perspective,

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just hearing each of your perspective, y 'all

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are coming at the same thing, the same experience,

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which we'll get into. from a completely different

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angle. And to hear both of you tell it and see

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your visceral, physical reactions, it's beautiful.

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It's a beautiful thing. So we'll get into that.

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So I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for taking

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time out of your extremely busy schedule to spend

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a weekend with us. Anytime we can get to Fredericksburg,

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Texas, we're going to move every mountain we

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need to move to get here. Somebody's got to suffer

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for Jesus, right? Somebody's got to suffer for

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Jesus. That's what I say. We lived in Nashville

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before. Somebody's got to suffer. And then we

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live here. Somebody's got to suffer. Stop Hawaii.

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I don't know. We'll see what happens. Let's go

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ahead and get a word of prayer. Love to always

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lift up our listeners, too, and those who are

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watching and joining us online. So let's pray

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together. Lord Jesus, Abba Father, you are so

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good to us. You continually keep our minds blown

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by your goodness, your mercy, your grace that

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is so real, so true, so powerful. Father, you

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know our heart and our desire to see faith, family,

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and freedom exalted in our nation and across

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the world. But Father, even more than that, to

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see your kingdom expanded in our time, this sliver

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of time that we get in this world. And however

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long you tarry before coming back, we get an

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opportunity to move the needle of the kingdom.

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And so, Lord, we literally, we pledge our lives,

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our fortunes, our sacred honor to this cause.

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And that is the cause of truth and the cause

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of the kingdom of God. Holy Spirit, we welcome

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you into this conversation today. You would lead

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us and guide us, would literally help us navigate

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the conversation. We want to go where you want

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to go. And we want to do the next thing you tell

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us to do. So thank you for Steve and Bev getting

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to be with us this weekend and getting to be

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here today for this podcast. And for our listeners,

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we want them to be encouraged. And they'll learn

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how to live up in a down world, look up in a

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down world, and learn up in a down world. They'll

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look to you, the one true king. We say all these

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things in Jesus' name. Amen and amen. Thank you,

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brother. Cause the last will be the first. Well,

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we want to welcome you to Living Up in a Down

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World. We are excited that you're here today.

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Annette is not with me today. I promise she'll

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be back. I don't know if I'll ever get her on

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camera, but we'll get her back on the audio podcast

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for sure. But she had another thing going today.

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But I have some very special guests with us today.

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And just two people who have become some of my

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favorite human beings. And we have Steve and

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Bev. Is it Bev or Beverly? I know it's Bev from

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him, but I want to make sure we're not encroaching

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on your... Okay, all right. Well, Steve and Beverly

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Maxwell, we are so thrilled that you're here

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today. I'm just honored that we get to sit at

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this table and have a conversation about what

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God's up to in the world. So welcome to Fredericksburg.

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Thank you for welcoming us. We are excited to

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be here with one of our favorite towns in all

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the world. But same to you and your friendship

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as God has put us together and we're developing

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all sorts of cool stuff we're going to talk about

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today. And so we're honored to be here. We truly

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are honored to be here. There's a lot of things

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happening right now. I mean, we get to do this

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stuff and we get to do it together. What's exciting,

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you know, I'm 63. I just turned 63 this year

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and that's about to in another week. And at this

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age in my life, in this stage, I'm more excited

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about life than I've ever been. You know, I've

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got friends who've gone into this stage of life.

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We call it leveling up, level six, you know,

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moving to 60. And they just start to coast towards

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retirement. Retirement's not even in my vocabulary.

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It's not even a biblical concept. And so let's

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do this. How do you retire with everything that

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God has given us and putting us here at this

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time in our nation's history and world history?

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I don't know. I don't know how you do that. And

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why would you want to? Well, I turned 63. Or

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am I 63? I can't remember. Well, you're born.

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But I don't even have that thought, you know,

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because we've got to keep moving forward. It's

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an exciting time to do that. It is. There's so

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many things. We all have our... fingers in a

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lot of pies. I mean, not only am I involved in

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the church world, but I'm involved in the carnivore

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world, the health wellness world. I'm involved

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in podcasts on that and speaking at events for

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that. Then also, the Lord has opened doors for

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me to be involved in Austin and our capital,

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the state capital, and be connected there. I

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was there this last week, got to pray to open

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the Senate session, which is my third time to

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do it. And this time I said, I'm praying in Jesus'

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name, and if you don't want me to come back,

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That's okay. I'll still pray outside, you know.

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I understand. And they had no pushback, no problem.

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And by the way, our Latunic governor, Dan Patrick,

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he gave me the green light. He said, I want you

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to pray. You pray like you pray. And so there

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was a script, but I didn't have to stay on script.

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Oh, absolutely. He's an ordained minister. He's

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a fire. He's a firebrand for God. So we've got

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great people in the Texas capital. I know in

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Florida, the two last free states, right, in

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the United States, but more coming online right

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now. Did you know that I saw this just recently,

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the Ten Commandments. As of a week and a half

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ago, there were 12 states that have come online.

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They're putting forth bills now to get the Ten

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Commandments back in our schools, public schools.

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Now 15 states have come online. It may be more

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than that by now. Interesting you say that. We

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were in some meetings this week in Houston with

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Matt Staver, which Matt's a great attorney for

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the freedom of faith and all that. But the Supreme

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Court has had like three critical rulings in

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the last couple of years that allows the church

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and God's people to stand. for righteousness

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in the community. And for example, the Ten Commandments,

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that's all legal now. And so what he's saying

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is, it's like we've been under this, you know,

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when you buy, you have a dog and you got the

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invisible fence thing. And we've been under this

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window of time where we've been punished for

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our faith. And now the Supreme Court's ruled,

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no, you can go. Like the coach, Coach Kennedy,

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we prayed on the field and they reversed all

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that. Right story there. So what's happened is

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the church is... God's people are just now becoming

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alive again, but we still have that invisible

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fence. Yeah. It's time to go on offense. There

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you go. The kingdom of our enemy has been on

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offense. It's time for the gates of hell shall

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not prevail against us. We are to be on offense.

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Absolutely. And it's all good. It's all good.

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And for those that don't like it, they don't

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like righteousness. We've got a problem. You

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know what I mean? Wow. You want to do the right

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thing in your communities, in your neighborhood.

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and bring forth that righteousness. Absolutely.

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That's why you're here. That's why you have a

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church. Absolutely. And I want to ask you a question

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along that line. I don't know how long ago it

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was, but this began to get on top of you. You

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begin to feel this, we've got to do something.

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We can't just sit back and watch our nation slide

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off the cliff. And then you and some other guys

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got together and developed this amazing organization

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that now we're thrilled to partner with you on

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and do what we can to get you guys out there

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even further. CDF, Citizens Defending Freedom.

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Tell us a little bit about how that started and

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came about. Exactly right. After the 2020 election,

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first of all, I'm a business guy. I'm an entrepreneur.

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My business partner is here in Texas. We spent

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almost 10 years here in Texas. I was in the military

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out here and got out of the military, and we

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stayed a few more years. So Texas has always

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had this connection with Texas. We love Texas,

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but we moved back home back in 90. So we're busy

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building businesses, but it's almost like it

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didn't matter. Our generation, we've seen a lot

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of good people. that were elected as our leaders

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that did good things. But it just slowed the

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progression down of sliding down this slope.

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So when the wrong party got in that believed

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in the wrong things, it just sped the process

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up. Right people get in, it slowed it down a

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little bit, but it still progressed downward.

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You notice that? I did, absolutely. So that was

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the backdrop. But then the 2020 election really,

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okay, what happened here? This was unusual. And

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just... God ordained several meetings there in

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the next 60 days that really put us on this path.

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And one of them was we met with Senator Ron Paul.

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And in Mar -a -Lago, we were at a meeting down

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there. Rand Paul, not Ron. Rand Paul. And after

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about an hour and a half of talking to him, he

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finally told us what we know today. You see the

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Doge stuff today. He was already doing that.

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Yes, he was. No one was listening. But he was

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doing it. Exactly right. So he said, Steve, these

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guys couldn't get a job as a janitor in most

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places. He said, I can go back to Kentucky and

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become a doctor and feed my family. These guys

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can't. This is the best job they ever had. And

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here's why. And so we've come out. He said, the

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only way we're going to rebuild the country is

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going to be a revival, a reformation. It's got

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to start from the bottom up. There it is. So

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that's what we went home with. And we're going,

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oh, my gosh, how do we do that? Second big meeting

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just a few weeks later with Mike Ferris. Mike

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was running Alliance Defending Freedom. They'd

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been in this fight for a long time. For those

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that don't know Mike, he got homeschooling legalized

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in all 50 states. He started Patrick Henry College.

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He's an incredible warrior for the kingdom. Roe

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v. Wade. Roe v. Wade. He was a big part of Roe

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v. Wade getting overturned. That was his crowning

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achievement. He didn't retire. He's doing other

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things now, but he stepped away from ADF. But

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a great man of God. But Mike came and met with

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us for two days. In fact, he had not traveled

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for a year because his wife had been sick. Somehow

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we get a hold of him through another God connection.

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He comes to my office and he spent two days with

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us and said, Steve, here's what needs to happen.

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Nobody's been successful at building. And what

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it is, let me just give you a quick illustration.

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So what was happening is our government agencies

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were going, they were all the way down in the

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weeds, all the way down into your school boards,

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into your local governments down here. And what

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they were doing were forcing these things that

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went against the will of people and definitely

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went against the will of God. For example, DEI

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or Title IX, Johnny going to Sally's bathroom.

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So the ACLU, for example, would come into your

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local school board, these attorneys, and your

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local school board is part -time. They're not

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in this world, but they would come in and attack

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and threaten them. If you don't let Johnny go

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to Sally's bathroom, we're going to sue you.

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The school board attorneys there, his or her

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job is to keep them out of a lawsuit. So they

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kept sliding back. The only opposition to this

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giant in that local school board meeting was

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a mom or a dad with three minutes and a microphone.

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So the question became, as an entrepreneur, I'm

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saying, okay, what does that mom need to counterbalance

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that? And what she needed was real intel, real

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information inside that, what was really going

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on. She needed her own little media outlet where

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she could get her little story out there. But

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more importantly, she needed her own attorneys

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right there. Yes. So what we did, we built a

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legal entity, really, where we're in the grassroots.

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Now, ADF and Matt Saver, I mentioned earlier,

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those guys are up here. We work with them hand

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in hand. But what we needed was someone who could

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be at the policymaking level in the legal world

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to counter. And so that's what we did. Wow. That's

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where CDF came from. And I can tell you today,

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I think we're 130 -0 in four years. We win, and

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that's what Mike told us, didn't he? Mike told

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us, Steve, if y 'all can put this in place, you'll

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win 9 out of 10 times. It's just we haven't been

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there. Right, that's it. So that's where CDF

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came from. Wow. And so then as we progressed

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and began looking at the whole fundraising world

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and how that worked, our board began getting

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on our knees and said, Lord, this is not, we've

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got to do this your way. So we got in the word,

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and what we kept hearing back from God was just

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go to the remnant. Just go to the remnant, the

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remnant church. The promise to heal a nation

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goes to God's people, not the heathens, right?

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The promise to do all these things, God said,

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if you'll get right with me, I will make it happen.

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So we started going to looking for pastors. You're

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a rare breed, brother. But we only need a remnant,

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right? Yeah, there you go. That's right. Gideon

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started with 30 ,000 and trimmed it down to 300.

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Absolutely. God never uses a majority to take

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over anything. He takes five loaves and two fish

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and feeds 5 ,000 people. That's right. So that's

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what we started doing. So the church now becomes

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this embassy. And you know that because you're

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doing it here. You've seen the effects of that.

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So we take it upon, the pastor takes it upon

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himself to educate that church. on our Christian

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heritage, and then we set up a biblical citizenship

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group, and we just keep an eye on everything.

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And CDF comes to town, we're just your partner,

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right? We're your ministry partner to help provide

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what we provide when the time comes. Y 'all have

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been a massive blessing to us. I met you, I don't

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know, a year and a half ago, maybe, something

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like that. I'm not good with time. Annette would

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know the date. But to the moment. So I remember

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meeting when y 'all brought a Remnant Alliance

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group, four guys came and spoke. Rick Green was

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another. Kay Carl. What an amazing guy. And of

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course, Pastor Rick. I mean, what a man. What

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a man of God. And you came as well. And you spoke

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and you lit my fire. I mean, it was already lit,

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but I didn't know where to go with it. This is

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what it was. And this is what I'm finding out.

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A lot of pastors, I meet with a group of young

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pastors. They just don't know where to go, and

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they don't know. They're where I was, and it's

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like, I've got this fire. I know I need to do

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something, but I don't know what to do. What's

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my first step? And, you know, most people, I

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mean, you remember back in high school, they

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give you an essay and you had to write a thesis

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sentence. It would take me a day to write a thesis

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sentence. And once I had that, I knew where to

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go. You're going to manifest something here.

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That's a bad memory there. Trigger. But we need

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that on ramp. We need that. And that's what you

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guys provided for me. And also, you provided

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for me something that I know you maybe don't

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hear this enough. But when I knew that there

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was somebody in my corner, it emboldened me.

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I had grown up under always respect authority,

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always yes, sir, no, sir. I'm a West Texas kid.

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Grew up with all of that. Well, that went for

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government, too, where I had this high respect,

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high value, as we should. And yet our government

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had gone a direction that they were not earning.

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They were not honorable, honorable, as I say.

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They were not honorable, able to be honored.

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So at that point, so when y 'all came and said.

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You can step into your pulpit and basically say

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exactly what God has told you to say. And we

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got your back. And I believed you. This is a

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fundamental that I think our seminaries have

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really messed up. Yeah. And so because most pastors

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have that thought process and they've never been

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trained. Okay, how do I engage? Right. How do

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I do this? That's what we do. That's our ministry.

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And so we teach them how to do that. But the

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main thing, we want to be there behind you to

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stand with you. And to protect you as you do

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it. Because there's plenty of enemy out there

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that doesn't want to do it. But when you study

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the Bible, I'm a lay guy. I'm not some seminary

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grad preacher somewhere. Doesn't matter. I love

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Jesus. And I look at Daniel. That's probably

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a bonus. Yeah, probably. Maybe. Some days, definitely.

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But, you know, Daniel, you can't pray anymore.

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Man's law came down. You can't pray anymore.

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You have to pray to Nebuchadnezzar or whatever.

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Daniel, there's only a... Wall, by the way. Did

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you know that? It was only a 30 -day law. Interesting.

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Most Christians would say, okay, I'll go hide

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for 30 days. I'll go back to bed. No, Daniel

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opened the windows, opened the doors, and he

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said, basically, watch me. I'm not going to obey

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man's law if it supersedes God's law. God's law

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comes first. We call that civil disobedience.

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Well, civil disobedience. The founders called

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it the law of nature. There it is. You understand

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William Blackstone and all what that means. God's

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law comes first. Nature follows God's law, which

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God's law is the Bible. Literally. Word of God.

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This is legal 101 U .S. and the U .S. founding,

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right? And then man's law comes third, but it

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must follow the law of nature. Yes. Or it's considered

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pretended law. Yes. We are entitled, the Declaration

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of Independence, entitled to break that law.

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Exactly. Declaration says you are mandated to

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do so. You must do so. So look at what our founders

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did. They came in and said, no, the king is doing

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these 27 things. It's against God's law and nature's

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law. We're going to fight against it. We will

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not comply. And we signed our death warrant.

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Just like Daniel did. Just like Rahab did. Yes.

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Just like Esther did. She signed her death warrant

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to go before the king. Just like Paul did. He

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ends up stoned, left for dead on a road, and

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he gets right back in the game. So how are seminaries

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missing that? Yeah. I don't know, but I got a

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feeling Satan's involved. I have a feeling, too,

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because there's been some indoctrination on their

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part. So I was fortunate to go to Howard Payne

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University here in Texas, and they have the Douglas

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MacArthur Academy of Freedom. They were teaching

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us how to engage. Our poli sci department was

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get involved, get engaged. So I got mixed messages.

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I come out of that school and I did a crossover

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program with them. So I come out like ready to

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go. And it was in my DNA to engage. I've never

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been one to set back on anything. And so, but

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then I go to seminary. It's exactly the opposite.

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They're telling us, you know, in these church

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growth classes and these seminars, and they're

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saying, you know, don't ever go there in politics.

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Don't ever, you know, you need to protect your

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congregation because of this bogus 1954 LBJ bill.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it is bogus. I don't even

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use the word politics. It's called leadership.

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It's called decision makers. We are commanded

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in God's word to find our own decision makers.

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Yeah, yeah. And it started in Exodus. Yes. For

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Jethro, a sheep herder. And Father -in -law Moses,

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when he said, here's what you look for when you

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find a leader. You've got to have decision -makers

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below you that can handle a lot of these decisions.

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And what do you look for? Fear God, trustworthy,

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which means they do the right thing behind the

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scenes when nobody's looking. They don't take

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USAID money, right? Right. And they hate dishonest

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gain. We as Christians, that's who we're supposed

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to be selecting. There's a difference between

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selecting and electing. Electing is popular content.

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We select our leaders. There you go. So how that,

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anyway, I get all fired up about it. No, no,

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I get it. It's a bunch of bull. Yeah, it is.

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It's a bunch of bullcrap. It is. And what's happened,

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though, is it's happened so slowly over a long

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period of time. It's Frog McKettle syndrome.

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So we've got a complete culture going, waking

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up. Thank God for COVID. I mean. Thank God for

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COVID. Thank for that cold. Thank God for that

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cold that got blown out of proportion. The plandemic.

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But here's the thing it did. It opened our eyes.

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You know, that happened, and then the 2020 election

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happened. All those things were eye -openers.

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I heard a speaker say not too long ago, he said,

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we need to thank God. That was our wake -up call.

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That woke up America to not everything is as

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it appears to be. I talked to our Senator Rick

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Scott. I have his personal cell. We talk often,

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and I was sharing with him. A few weeks back,

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I said, Senator, you guys, you better, I'm just

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going to caution you. You need to get this right

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because I think of the people we lost. I've lost

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family members. We've all lost people during

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COVID. There was a lot that went wrong there

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that was pure evil. Now we're seeing all this

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exposure of Doge. And I'll get to what God shared

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with me, you know, in the story later. But you've

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got one time to get this right. It's a miracle

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we're not protesting big time right now. The

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American people are watching. They are saying,

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you better get this right. Yeah. Because it opened

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up. Yeah, it did. Yeah. It'll close. But God

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turned it for good. And it is now affordable.

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People can see. Yes. Maybe what we couldn't see.

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It was not. It had it not. And I've used that

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same language. I just say there's a window open,

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and we don't know how long that window will be

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open, which means this is not the time to rest,

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sit on our laurels, you know, rest and sit back

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and go, oh, okay, go get them. Go get them, Elon.

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Go get them. Go get them, President Trump. Go

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get them, J .D. No. For God's people, our mission

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is not to save a country or save a city or save

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a county. Our mission is to extend the kingdom

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of God. There it is. He is returning soon. It's

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a race to the rapture, I call it. Wow. So our

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mission, what family member do I have that does

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not know the Lord? It's a race to the rapture.

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Because the next time I believe this thing implodes

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is when God sucks us out of here. Yeah. And there's

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no more resistance to this. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

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Once the salt is gone and the light's gone, it's

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going to get nasty. It's exciting to be here.

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It is. We've got to put the pedal down. In this

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season of history, in this season of time, we

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get to witness and be a part of what people have

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prayed for, believed for, sought God for, this

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end -time harvest that's already beginning. We're

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seeing revival breaking out across the world.

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My goodness, college campuses blowing up. I mean,

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it wasn't that long ago before college campuses

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were holding up Hamas signs and anti -Israel

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signs, and now that has been so overwhelmed.

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You know, remember during the election season,

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he said, too big to rig? Well, it's kind of a

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similar thing. There's such an overwhelming move

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of God across the world, but especially the United

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States right now, that it's overwhelming all

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these little voices that are out there, these

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little handful of groups showing up. What we're

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finding is these little voices had a megaphone.

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Yes, they did. It was like the Wizard of Oz.

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Yeah. It's this big smoking mirror, but really

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we've pulled the curtain back and there's a little

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weaselly little man pulling all the leaves. Yeah.

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Right? Yeah. That's what we're discovering right

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now. There it is. So we're in the midst of a

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game changer on the planet. Oh, it's exciting.

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And more people are waking up to it now. Something

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that's hot on my heart and yours too is to wake

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more pastors up to it. Pastors have lived in

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such fear for so long. To their defense, we mentioned

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it, but they were taught not to go there. And

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so they didn't. So now you're 55, 65 years old.

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You've been leading a church. You've never stepped

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into the arena before. Not long ago, it's probably

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been three, four years ago, BLM was going crazy.

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And I saw this photo online of these guys in

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hoods and all standing around somebody they just

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beat the snot out of. I don't know, the guy may

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have even died. And they were standing there

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with their phones filming it. It was horrible.

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Smoke in the background, fire. It just went all

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over me. And I had not stepped into the arena.

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And I posted one little post while Annette and

00:25:01.490 --> 00:25:04.190
I were on a little getaway. I posted it, closed

00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:06.150
my computer. I was saying, I cannot believe this

00:25:06.150 --> 00:25:09.599
is happening. I just said it out loud. We came

00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.380
back. I had hundreds of comments. I thought,

00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:14.339
wow, that's cool. I'll start pulling them up.

00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.519
They were all negative. They were all saying,

00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:18.980
who do you think you are? You don't know what

00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:20.559
you're talking about. And these were white people

00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:23.680
defending BLM, right? And I'm going, and I had

00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.579
one attorney, one girl, she's training to become

00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:29.599
an attorney. She wrote, you're in my house now.

00:25:30.259 --> 00:25:33.970
She wrote this threat like. Like, how dare you?

00:25:34.009 --> 00:25:36.650
You need to stay in your area. You're in my house

00:25:36.650 --> 00:25:41.289
now. That lit my fire. We first started CDF.

00:25:41.329 --> 00:25:43.390
We were taking a stand with the books and all

00:25:43.390 --> 00:25:45.930
the stuff in schools and stuff. We were getting

00:25:45.930 --> 00:25:50.930
riddled. George Soros, Media Matters is his organization,

00:25:51.170 --> 00:25:52.710
and they were ripping us all kinds of stuff.

00:25:53.150 --> 00:25:56.710
I told you we had access and can find ways to

00:25:56.710 --> 00:25:58.509
really look at who's writing all this stuff.

00:25:58.650 --> 00:26:01.269
What we found out is most of that is all generated.

00:26:02.089 --> 00:26:05.769
It's all paid for. They could be real people,

00:26:05.829 --> 00:26:08.309
but they're paid to do that. You know what I

00:26:08.309 --> 00:26:11.029
mean? Yes. Even that's a fake world. I've come

00:26:11.029 --> 00:26:12.750
to the conclusion, my partner says this all the

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:15.029
time, my business partner, the only thing I trust

00:26:15.029 --> 00:26:17.990
anymore is God's holy word, period. There you

00:26:17.990 --> 00:26:21.190
go. Because everything else is some kind of slide.

00:26:22.049 --> 00:26:25.869
Everything. Everything's leaning. One way or

00:26:25.869 --> 00:26:31.509
the other. Absolutely. Taking truth and adding

00:26:31.509 --> 00:26:34.269
elements of truth, but with, with deception and

00:26:34.269 --> 00:26:36.630
you mix the two, it never comes out right. The

00:26:36.630 --> 00:26:40.809
math doesn't work. Yeah. And what people, you

00:26:40.809 --> 00:26:43.690
talk about, I'm sorry. You talk about the revival

00:26:43.690 --> 00:26:46.970
and what's happening. There's a, there's a, God

00:26:46.970 --> 00:26:50.390
tells us in his word, he puts, he puts this yearning

00:26:50.390 --> 00:26:52.670
in us. Yeah. You know, Bev and I were talking

00:26:52.670 --> 00:26:54.650
last night that we went home after dinner, but.

00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:01.500
Everybody is yearning for something. It may be

00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.400
a marriage that's struggling. It may be a child

00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.039
that's struggling. Everybody's got something.

00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:12.500
It's by design. Yeah. Because this is not our

00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:17.220
home. And if this became heaven for us, we wouldn't

00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:19.960
thirst for heaven. Yeah. So that thirst is for

00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.980
God and his love and acceptance. you know that

00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:27.359
purpose that he gives us the way i say that is

00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.460
is our dna remembers eden but our spirit longs

00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:33.940
for heaven and in the meantime we're stuck here

00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:38.309
in this fallen world That's that's in the process

00:27:38.309 --> 00:27:40.730
of redemption, but it's not there. And we're

00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:43.150
told in Romans eight, it's going to there's going

00:27:43.150 --> 00:27:45.589
to be a day right now. It's groaning. It's crying

00:27:45.589 --> 00:27:48.390
out. And that's OK. When we have that perspective

00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:50.670
of there's something in me that remembers Eden.

00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:52.609
There's something that knows there was a better

00:27:52.609 --> 00:27:55.369
time before this. But there's also my spirit

00:27:55.369 --> 00:27:58.210
that longs for heaven. And so I'm going to use

00:27:58.210 --> 00:28:01.750
that as a little segue into what you've recently

00:28:01.750 --> 00:28:04.289
experienced. You know, I've gotten to know you

00:28:04.289 --> 00:28:07.380
and. And now, thankfully, getting to know your

00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:09.579
way better half. I call mine my way better half.

00:28:09.619 --> 00:28:11.759
I always say I'm married up. My stock always

00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.500
goes up when people meet me. Come on, brother.

00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:17.859
I feel it. I'm with you there. But getting to

00:28:17.859 --> 00:28:20.740
hear some of your story, and we were on this

00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:23.339
text group, and then during Hurricane Helene,

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:26.500
you were just mobilizing. I mean, you were moving

00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:29.140
things and getting things set up, and I was on

00:28:29.140 --> 00:28:31.440
those. So you are giving us great prayer points

00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.599
and prayer targets, prayer flares, we call them.

00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:35.849
And so we were involved in that, and then all

00:28:35.849 --> 00:28:38.869
of a sudden, I mean, something happened, and

00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:42.849
it was a game changer for a lot of people, but

00:28:42.849 --> 00:28:46.029
especially for your family. So who would like

00:28:46.029 --> 00:28:48.730
to tell us that experience and what happened?

00:28:48.890 --> 00:28:52.609
I'm going to turn that over to you. Oh, yeah,

00:28:52.789 --> 00:28:57.329
we've been on a journey. As you stated, you know,

00:28:57.329 --> 00:29:01.029
the hurricanes. And Steve was real involved with

00:29:01.029 --> 00:29:03.009
so many pastors and people that were helping

00:29:03.009 --> 00:29:06.210
for the hurricane relief on that and the election.

00:29:06.369 --> 00:29:09.170
Just a lot of stuff going on, right? And in the

00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:12.170
midst of all of that, he was working 20 -hour

00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:16.049
days, literally. I knew that. Four -hour sleep

00:29:16.049 --> 00:29:20.170
might be overstating some of this. And that was

00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:23.309
going on for weeks and weeks. And during that

00:29:23.309 --> 00:29:26.950
time, he was having... he just wasn't feeling

00:29:26.950 --> 00:29:29.650
great he was having some discomfort in his shoulder

00:29:29.650 --> 00:29:32.210
he hurt his elbow so he thought it was radiating

00:29:32.210 --> 00:29:36.150
from that but we went to the he went to his doctor

00:29:36.150 --> 00:29:38.250
was getting checked out going through some things

00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:40.849
it was just going slow and i said steve why don't

00:29:40.849 --> 00:29:43.529
we just self -pay go over to tampa have that

00:29:43.529 --> 00:29:46.049
scan thing done check it all out and be done

00:29:46.049 --> 00:29:49.589
we did and everything was fine checked out fine

00:29:49.589 --> 00:29:52.569
his heart numbers were better than mine everything

00:29:52.569 --> 00:29:58.589
was great um So we're rocking into November.

00:29:58.650 --> 00:30:01.549
It was November 10th was a Sunday, the day before

00:30:01.549 --> 00:30:04.670
Veterans Day. And we'd had a great day. We'd

00:30:04.670 --> 00:30:06.869
gone to church that morning and we'd come home

00:30:06.869 --> 00:30:09.569
and had a nice afternoon together. He had been

00:30:09.569 --> 00:30:11.829
working. He was working the phone. There was

00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:16.289
a lot of things going on in his world at that

00:30:16.289 --> 00:30:19.289
time. And he can talk more to that. I really

00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:21.730
am not even qualified to talk to that. But it

00:30:21.730 --> 00:30:24.190
was some pretty things that were very disruptive.

00:30:24.829 --> 00:30:26.869
to the kingdom of darkness that he was working

00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:29.250
on. It was a big deal. It was life and death

00:30:29.250 --> 00:30:34.269
rescue stuff. We had gone down, watched the sunset

00:30:34.269 --> 00:30:36.509
that night, which is our custom. Every opportunity

00:30:36.509 --> 00:30:39.509
we can, we'll catch a sunset, and we'd come back.

00:30:39.930 --> 00:30:42.390
Anyway, he was working until about 11. We went

00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:44.569
to bed, and he was just restless, couldn't get

00:30:44.569 --> 00:30:47.269
comfortable. And he leaned up. He goes, oh, my

00:30:47.269 --> 00:30:49.329
Lord. I said, what is it, honey? He said, I just

00:30:49.329 --> 00:30:53.240
can't. I've got this feeling again. And I don't

00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.180
know what hit me. Something came over me, and

00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.279
I popped up out of that bed. And I said, well,

00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:01.519
let's get up and move around and see if we can't

00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.759
get you feeling better. And while you're at it,

00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.759
why don't you take an aspirin? I've never done

00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.359
that before. And we go in. I said, well, let's

00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.859
check your blood pressure. His blood pressure

00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:15.900
is always normal. And it wasn't normal. And I

00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:18.000
took it again, and it was worse. And I took it

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.960
again, and it was worse. I said, get your shoes

00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.480
on. I'm calling 911. Which we'd already decided

00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.940
this Friday before I'd done a big scan test.

00:31:26.259 --> 00:31:28.460
Right. And this shoulder thing would only come

00:31:28.460 --> 00:31:30.740
up every once in a while. So I said, well, if

00:31:30.740 --> 00:31:33.460
that does it again, let's just call 911 and get

00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:35.319
it done. Because I had one more test to do where

00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.440
they put the camera. Right, right. Let's just

00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.839
get in the hospital and get that done. So this

00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.539
is the Monday after that Friday. So anyway, called

00:31:44.539 --> 00:31:50.140
911 and ambulance and fire truck showed up. They

00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:52.579
were triaging him, hooked him up, EKG, everything

00:31:52.579 --> 00:31:56.099
was fine. And the EMS guy looked at me and said,

00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.599
we'll take him in. We'd agreed, get him checked

00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.460
out and see what's going on, see if they can

00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:01.819
figure out anything. So you weren't on a gurney.

00:32:02.619 --> 00:32:05.079
He got up and walked to the ambulance. He told

00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.200
you to get your house together and shut down

00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.119
and then come on. You walked to the ambulance.

00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.779
She came later. He said, Ms. Max, we'll take

00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:14.480
your time, button up your house, we'll meet you

00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.920
down there. So he left, blew me a kiss, and I'm...

00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.680
Get in my house. I'm 15 minutes behind him. And

00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.019
the EMS guy had said, where do y 'all want to

00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:27.440
go? And I'm processing, looking at him. Okay,

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.599
where do we want to go? And he said, why don't

00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.200
you go down to Advent Sebring? It's the closest,

00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:35.000
and they have a heart center, which I didn't

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.579
even know that. I'd never been to this hospital.

00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.039
It's the other direction of where we normally

00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.720
go. I said, okay, let's go there. So I load up,

00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.779
and I head down. to the hospital, and I get there.

00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.319
I'm here to, you know, they brought my husband

00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.240
in to be checked out, and he wasn't in the system

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:56.380
yet. I had a moment of panic. Am I in the wrong

00:32:56.380 --> 00:33:00.200
place? I've never been here before. But about

00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.400
that time, two of the EMTs that had just been

00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.059
at my house come walking around the corner, except

00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:08.119
this time they don't look the same. Oh, boy.

00:33:08.299 --> 00:33:11.000
They're disheveled. They look like they've been

00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.319
in a war. Blood on their shirt. What is going

00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.299
on? And they're walking to me with a beat, just

00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:18.859
had a beat on me, and they weren't smiling. One

00:33:18.859 --> 00:33:21.299
knelt at my feet. One sat beside me and said,

00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.180
we just need to let you know what happened before

00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:28.640
you go back there. He coded on the way to the

00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.180
hospital in the ambulance. He was gone for over

00:33:32.180 --> 00:33:35.519
15 minutes. But we got him hooked up, got back

00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.859
on the road, and we got him back about five minutes

00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:40.779
from the hospital. So the next thing I know,

00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.559
I'm being whisked back. to the ER to meet with

00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.420
the doctor. And there's two surgeons back there,

00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:50.759
a male and a female. And she begins to triage

00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:54.619
me. I see Steve not good. You know, I don't know

00:33:54.619 --> 00:33:56.759
what I'm looking at, but I knew it wasn't good.

00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.200
Right. She whisked me into another room and she

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.140
just starts drilling me on what, what's going

00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:04.420
on. And I, so I told her about the test. I told

00:34:04.420 --> 00:34:07.539
her the numbers and she said, you know, this

00:34:07.539 --> 00:34:10.000
could be this, but she goes, I think it's a heart

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.210
attack. She goes, but do you see these numbers

00:34:12.210 --> 00:34:14.889
right here? I said, yes, ma 'am. She goes, these

00:34:14.889 --> 00:34:17.969
numbers are not sustainable for life. Wow. His

00:34:17.969 --> 00:34:24.929
pH was 6 .99. His lactic acid was 20. Wow. She

00:34:24.929 --> 00:34:26.690
goes, he's probably not going to survive the

00:34:26.690 --> 00:34:28.750
procedure. Most doctors will tell you there's

00:34:28.750 --> 00:34:31.070
nothing they can do. And I looked over at the

00:34:31.070 --> 00:34:35.730
other surgeon, and his body language was completely

00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:37.670
closed. He wouldn't even make eye contact with

00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:40.800
me. And in his defense, he probably thought the

00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.119
merciful thing to do is to do nothing. Right.

00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:46.820
But this girl was a believer. I found out later.

00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:49.500
And she took my face in her hand and she says,

00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:54.079
if you give me permission, I will try. Wow. And

00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.760
I said, please try. So she was the miracle that

00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.500
she gave God room, you know, on it. Two o 'clock

00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:03.659
in the morning on November the 11th, she just

00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:05.639
happened to be there in this place we knew nothing

00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.159
about. Wow. God just took us there. And the fact

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.539
that he coded in the ambulance, you know, I think

00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.920
only 12 % of the people that have the Widowmaker,

00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:20.300
which is what he had, survived. Wow. So at that

00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:23.480
moment, she's gone. I give her permission. I'm

00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.219
alone. I'm alone in this room. Five minutes.

00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:30.650
Everything has just changed. But if you'll allow

00:35:30.650 --> 00:35:33.409
me to tell you the story of what, at that moment,

00:35:33.550 --> 00:35:37.690
I was not afraid. And I see that with all humility.

00:35:37.889 --> 00:35:42.670
No, there's no arrogance in me. So I was not

00:35:42.670 --> 00:35:47.369
afraid. I was mad because I knew, I knew at that

00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:49.750
moment, so many dots were connected. God had

00:35:49.750 --> 00:35:52.329
been telling me, he had been warning me. He had

00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:55.429
been preparing me for this moment. And I knew

00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.469
it was a spiritual attack. And I began praying.

00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:03.019
against it out loud, then no, devil, not tonight.

00:36:03.139 --> 00:36:05.940
This is not how this ends. This is not where

00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:08.699
this ends. We're going to walk through this in

00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:12.679
Jesus' name. We're going to do this. And the

00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.320
reason I'm so confident, there were so many things.

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.139
I can't even begin to tell you all of them. But

00:36:18.139 --> 00:36:21.639
two weeks prior to this heart attack on November

00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.019
the 11th, my son had come in on his way to work

00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:28.800
and said, Mom, I just had... He goes, it wasn't

00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.880
a dream because it woke me up. He said, I just

00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.699
had this vision. He goes, the house was on fire.

00:36:33.980 --> 00:36:36.699
I woke up and the house was on fire. There was

00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:39.380
smoke everywhere. My room was full of smoke.

00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.460
He said, I smelled it. He said, I'm looking for

00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:44.059
a fire. He said, but as I'm up and walking around,

00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.360
it just began to dissipate. He goes, but I fully

00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.440
expected to smell like smoke. Well, I didn't

00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.000
know what to make of that. I said, well, honey,

00:36:53.099 --> 00:36:56.000
I'm glad it was just a dream. You know, have

00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:01.119
a nice day. Didn't think, I just didn't think

00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:02.820
that much about it, right? I didn't know what

00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:07.119
to think. A week later, my daughter had the same

00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.539
dream in a different house. She goes, Mom, it's

00:37:10.539 --> 00:37:14.019
as if someone struck a match, a torch under my

00:37:14.019 --> 00:37:16.820
nose and woke me from a dead sleep. She goes,

00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.059
and I raise up and the room is full of smoke.

00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.239
She said, I can't see the nightlight across the

00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.769
room. Wow. And as she begins to get up and move

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:25.690
around, she goes, the smoke began to dissipate.

00:37:26.349 --> 00:37:28.769
Well, she's a Christian counselor and has some

00:37:28.769 --> 00:37:30.949
colleagues and friends and a network of people.

00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:33.469
And she just put the word out. She goes, listen,

00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:36.590
is there anybody that can speak into this? This

00:37:36.590 --> 00:37:39.989
is what's happening in our family. This is, you

00:37:39.989 --> 00:37:43.309
know, is there, has anyone got a word? Through

00:37:43.309 --> 00:37:46.369
a series of networking and people, this woman

00:37:46.369 --> 00:37:50.070
in South Florida contacted Megan. And she goes,

00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:53.000
yeah. She goes, This is a word from God. This

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:57.380
is a message from God. It is urgent. It is for

00:37:57.380 --> 00:38:03.219
your family. Your family is about to go through

00:38:03.219 --> 00:38:07.199
a trial by fire, an all -consuming fire. She

00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.480
goes, but you're going to walk through it, and

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.099
you're not going to smell like smoke. You're

00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:13.360
going to come through and not smell like smoke.

00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:18.519
And in that room at that moment, the Holy Spirit

00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:24.980
fell on me. In a way I have never experienced

00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:29.500
before. And I knew that I had to contend for

00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:33.139
my husband. I knew it was not a time to cry.

00:38:33.219 --> 00:38:35.099
It was not a time to be fearful. It was a time

00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:38.780
to contend. My children began to come in. They

00:38:38.780 --> 00:38:41.980
look at each other. They realized what it was

00:38:41.980 --> 00:38:46.480
too. And I'm so proud of their reaction. And

00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.480
with the people that were there at that moment,

00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:51.480
we began organically every hour, only hour, in

00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.320
agreement to pray, contending that this was a

00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.360
trial by fire. We were going to come through

00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.500
this, and we were not going to smell it. We were

00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:01.780
going to walk through it. There it is. We were

00:39:01.780 --> 00:39:04.500
just believing. There it is. And that continued

00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:10.280
on through the entire process. And the people

00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:16.780
that God sent, the prayers. Your church, Steve

00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:19.639
and I are on a thank you tour. We made a promise

00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:23.139
to God that any door that opened, we were going

00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:26.000
to be that one leper that comes back and says,

00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.239
thank you, because we know we were supernaturally

00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:33.019
healed. We get to see what prayer does on the

00:39:33.019 --> 00:39:36.639
other side. Yes. The night that I got that text,

00:39:36.739 --> 00:39:39.480
I'm on a text group with a lot of pastors that

00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.840
you're connected with. And immediately I called

00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:44.159
out to Annette and I said, Annette, you got to

00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.559
see this. And I said, we both knew immediately

00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:49.420
it was a spiritual attack. I mean, because we

00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:50.880
knew what you're into. We know what you're doing

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.539
and how you're moving. And I began to pray. We

00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:56.320
began to pray. And I said, Lord, not this one.

00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:00.460
He can't. He's too important. And he's such a

00:40:00.460 --> 00:40:03.440
pivot point for a lot of different things. Because

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:05.400
I know you've got your finger in a lot of pies,

00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:08.369
but they're all important. And they're all. at

00:40:08.369 --> 00:40:11.429
one level or another, and we just begin to contend

00:40:11.429 --> 00:40:13.449
on that level. And I announced it to the church

00:40:13.449 --> 00:40:16.409
on Sunday and said, we've got to pray for Steve

00:40:16.409 --> 00:40:19.090
Maxwell. We prayed for you guys by name, calling

00:40:19.090 --> 00:40:21.269
your name out, and we put it on our prayer list.

00:40:21.349 --> 00:40:22.949
We have a prayer chain that goes around, and

00:40:22.949 --> 00:40:26.909
we put that on that list. And there's something

00:40:26.909 --> 00:40:29.289
to be said for contending when Jesus told that

00:40:29.289 --> 00:40:33.250
story of the persistent widow. It's almost an

00:40:33.250 --> 00:40:35.570
annoying story. I mean, somebody standing at

00:40:35.570 --> 00:40:37.949
your door, banging on your door, waking your

00:40:37.949 --> 00:40:40.170
whole household up. They all slept in a big room

00:40:40.170 --> 00:40:42.829
together. And he said, you've got to be like

00:40:42.829 --> 00:40:45.219
that persistent widow. Until you get what you

00:40:45.219 --> 00:40:47.900
came for, which harkens back to the Jacob story

00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:50.699
at the River Jabbok when he wrestled with the

00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:54.019
man, capital M, all night. He said, I will not

00:40:54.019 --> 00:40:56.760
let go of you until you bless me. In other words,

00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:59.719
he would not let go until he got what he came

00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.059
for. Now, he walked with a limp the rest of his

00:41:02.059 --> 00:41:06.179
life, but don't we all? Hopefully. Oh, don't

00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:08.559
you know? Absolutely. Some of us walk with two

00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.960
limps. We've both been down that track. Of course,

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.260
we fall. followed along with all that. We paced

00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:18.320
along with you guys. And when we began to hear

00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.400
of just the hope and the miraculous little things

00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.840
and the movements and, of course, your kidneys

00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.739
shut down, there were so many things happening.

00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.400
I mean, you were really in a fight for your life.

00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:32.340
When I came out of this, you know, seven or eight

00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:34.400
days later, of course, I didn't know what had

00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.809
happened. I'd gone. So back up. I'll tell my

00:41:36.809 --> 00:41:39.329
side. Back up to where you were in the ambulance.

00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:41.889
I did not realize. Now I'm rambunctious. I'm

00:41:41.889 --> 00:41:43.210
ready to get out of there. I'm saying, good,

00:41:43.289 --> 00:41:46.389
let's go. And so about the third night I was

00:41:46.389 --> 00:41:50.210
awake, fourth night, I was best at it. When everybody

00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:51.750
leaves tonight, I'm going to read you a bedtime

00:41:51.750 --> 00:41:55.710
story. And the doctors do a report every day

00:41:55.710 --> 00:41:58.190
and give an assessment. I had five or six doctors

00:41:58.190 --> 00:42:02.429
working on me. And she began reading these assessments

00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:10.440
from day one. And that's when it hit me that

00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.280
I was supposed to be dead. They'd basically given

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.179
me up for dead. No hope. Brain damage. But my

00:42:20.179 --> 00:42:23.019
kidneys had shut down 100%. My lungs had shut

00:42:23.019 --> 00:42:25.820
down. They were full of fluid. E. coli had gotten

00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:28.619
in my bloodstream and my lungs. Staph infection.

00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:34.380
Staph infection. The liver shut down. I mean,

00:42:34.420 --> 00:42:39.000
I was in bad shape. And I think the second night,

00:42:39.019 --> 00:42:41.599
the Tuesday nights, when it all came down, you've

00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:43.920
got to tell about Pastor John Friedo and what

00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.320
he did and what really helped set the pace. And

00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.880
then I'll talk about where I was. That's okay.

00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:52.260
But you've got to tell them about how God brought

00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:56.340
all these people out of the blue to help you

00:42:56.340 --> 00:43:00.079
and our children during that time. It was amazing.

00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:05.539
Just to confirm and to encourage, you know, God

00:43:05.539 --> 00:43:08.280
would send somebody. He sent someone every day

00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.559
in a miraculous way from, oh, to encourage me.

00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.860
This is my story. This is what they told me.

00:43:17.900 --> 00:43:20.320
Don't you believe it. You keep believing. You

00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.059
keep believing. You keep believing. Just story

00:43:23.059 --> 00:43:30.199
after story. had an infectious disease doctor

00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.300
because the day that was really the belly of

00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:35.440
the whale there was no good data you know like

00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.099
apollo 13 the guy said well what do we have on

00:43:38.099 --> 00:43:40.699
the spaceship that's good right there wasn't

00:43:40.699 --> 00:43:42.940
anything that was good except that he was still

00:43:42.940 --> 00:43:45.719
here that was um that was a miracle in itself

00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:51.369
and we were just you know but the doctor um Steve

00:43:51.369 --> 00:43:54.210
had been intubated in the field, and he had aspirated,

00:43:54.269 --> 00:43:58.070
and his lungs were full of E. coli and staph

00:43:58.070 --> 00:44:01.849
in his blood. And he had a 105 fever and, you

00:44:01.849 --> 00:44:05.289
know, packed in ice. And one of the infectious

00:44:05.289 --> 00:44:08.030
disease doctors came in and sat down, and he

00:44:08.030 --> 00:44:12.949
told me the stats. And then he sat down next

00:44:12.949 --> 00:44:15.210
to me, and he took my hand. He says, but I feel

00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:17.409
like I need to tell you something. This was a

00:44:17.409 --> 00:44:21.469
young, good -looking specimen. I mean, he looked

00:44:21.469 --> 00:44:26.070
like the picture of health. And he said, two

00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:29.789
years ago, that was me. And I said, what? Wow.

00:44:30.190 --> 00:44:33.130
He goes, yeah. He goes, I had strep throat, and

00:44:33.130 --> 00:44:37.150
it went to my heart. And I was intubated, and

00:44:37.150 --> 00:44:39.670
they had called my family in and blah, blah,

00:44:39.750 --> 00:44:44.300
blah. You just keep praying. That sort of stuff.

00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.460
Wow. You know, that sort of stuff that people

00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:50.719
would share with me. It was just crazy. But this

00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.139
one particular day, the belly of the well, Pastor

00:44:53.139 --> 00:44:57.300
Freed from Lakeland, who I had never met, but

00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:59.679
had been working with Steve on hurricane relief.

00:45:00.139 --> 00:45:02.500
Yeah, Remnant Allowance Pastor. And he came up

00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:08.820
to the hospital and, you know, came in, prayed.

00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.500
prayed over Steve, anointed him, and put an anointing

00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:15.480
cloth on him, and had a really sweet time of

00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.980
prayer. And then he looked at me, and he began

00:45:18.980 --> 00:45:21.500
to tell me the story, remind me of the story

00:45:21.500 --> 00:45:27.539
in Mark 5 of Jairus, Jairus' daughter. And he

00:45:27.539 --> 00:45:29.900
went through that whole story with me and how

00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:32.739
Jairus is with Jesus in this crowd, and it's

00:45:32.739 --> 00:45:34.500
just this throng, and there's so many things

00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:37.619
happening at one time. And the messenger runs

00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:42.250
up. And says, Jairus' daughter has died. And

00:45:42.250 --> 00:45:46.070
Jesus just turns to him. He was a religious leader.

00:45:46.210 --> 00:45:48.650
He was the synagogue. And he says, do not be

00:45:48.650 --> 00:45:52.829
afraid. Just believe. And he started walking

00:45:52.829 --> 00:45:56.170
towards Jairus' house. A couple of the disciples

00:45:56.170 --> 00:45:59.130
went with him. And they got there. And the Bible

00:45:59.130 --> 00:46:01.670
said that there was a crowd of people. And they

00:46:01.670 --> 00:46:04.809
were wailing. carrying on. The Bible says causing

00:46:04.809 --> 00:46:07.530
a commotion. And Jesus walks up and said, why

00:46:07.530 --> 00:46:10.369
are you causing all this commotion? The child

00:46:10.369 --> 00:46:13.809
is not dead. She's asleep. And they laughed at

00:46:13.809 --> 00:46:17.989
him. And he cleared him out. He told him to go

00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:21.769
home. He said, don't need you here. Leave. And

00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:24.070
he took a couple of disciples, mom and dad, went

00:46:24.070 --> 00:46:27.590
in the room. Little girl get up. She was 12 years

00:46:27.590 --> 00:46:29.570
old. She started walking around the room. He

00:46:29.570 --> 00:46:31.349
looked at everybody. He said, don't tell anybody.

00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:35.619
Give her something to eat. Let's go. And then

00:46:35.619 --> 00:46:37.539
that pastor looked at me and he said, now, Beverly,

00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:43.780
people who believe live like they believe. He

00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:46.639
goes, that means that you get up, you present

00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.539
yourself well, you eat, you drink, you lay down

00:46:50.539 --> 00:46:55.340
at night in peace, believing that God's got this.

00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:02.400
Beautiful. It was as if... That just pierced

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.320
my heart. I was already doing that in my own

00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.760
feeble, imperfect way. But that gave me a scripture.

00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:14.539
That was not an ask from Christ. That was a command

00:47:14.539 --> 00:47:19.699
to me. This is what you do. Here's your, stake

00:47:19.699 --> 00:47:24.730
this scripture right here. Beautiful. So. We

00:47:24.730 --> 00:47:26.929
were praying every hour on the hour, so I invited

00:47:26.929 --> 00:47:30.369
him. It was time to come out and lead the prayer

00:47:30.369 --> 00:47:33.670
this hour. So he went out into the lobby, which

00:47:33.670 --> 00:47:39.630
was full the whole time. I mean, with 30 to 50

00:47:39.630 --> 00:47:45.110
people, the outpouring was probably the most

00:47:45.110 --> 00:47:49.909
unbelievable of anything, of people that would

00:47:49.909 --> 00:47:53.639
come and pray, earnestly pray. So he goes out

00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.480
and he addresses the group and he says, thank

00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.199
you for being here. The Maxwell's are so grateful

00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:03.739
that you are here and for your support is, but

00:48:03.739 --> 00:48:06.380
we're going to ask something because if there's

00:48:06.380 --> 00:48:10.699
anybody here that does not believe, if there's

00:48:10.699 --> 00:48:14.940
any unbelief in this circle, we love you, but

00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:18.239
we're going to ask you to leave. And you just

00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.900
let it. I love that. I know exactly where he's

00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:23.760
going with that. Go downstairs, get yourself

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.539
a Snickers bar, get a Coke, figure it out. Or

00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:31.079
not. We're still going to love you. Yeah. But

00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:33.480
if there's any unbelief here, you're not helping.

00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:35.960
Yeah. We need you to leave. That's good. Because

00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:41.159
we are only believing. And in agreement, it's

00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.199
like a cool breeze. Oh, yeah. You could feel

00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.980
it. And when we joined hands that hour in agreement

00:48:47.980 --> 00:48:51.360
to pray, it was different. And it was different

00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.659
the rest of the week. It affected the entire

00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:58.420
hospital. Yeah, it was powerful. From the security

00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:03.699
guards all the way. That's what revival does.

00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.639
The water level rises everywhere. If it only

00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.480
happens at one church, I'm going, that's not

00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.579
real revival. It may be awakening for that church,

00:49:11.699 --> 00:49:14.940
but real revival spills out into the streets

00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:17.239
and the water level rises everywhere. You know,

00:49:17.260 --> 00:49:18.860
during a flood, everything's touched. Y 'all

00:49:18.860 --> 00:49:20.619
know, you've been there, done that. Living in

00:49:20.619 --> 00:49:23.340
Florida, you've been there, done that. Everything's,

00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:25.480
nothing is left untouched when the water rises.

00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.000
And so that's what revival does. So whether you're

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.250
in a hospital, It doesn't matter where you are,

00:49:30.309 --> 00:49:32.849
whether you're at the Austin Capitol. Something

00:49:32.849 --> 00:49:36.550
unusual happens, and everyone knows it. They

00:49:36.550 --> 00:49:38.449
may not be able to tell you what it is, but something

00:49:38.449 --> 00:49:45.750
happened. Wow. John Freed, Pastor Freed, we've

00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:47.590
been to his church. There were so many pastors

00:49:47.590 --> 00:49:51.750
that came. And they all bring different things,

00:49:51.829 --> 00:49:54.849
right? Whether it's a Baptist or Pentecostal

00:49:54.849 --> 00:49:57.809
or everything in between, they all bring something

00:49:57.809 --> 00:50:00.250
and they're all part of the tapestry of the body

00:50:00.250 --> 00:50:03.010
of Christ. They bring something. Yes, folk life.

00:50:03.190 --> 00:50:06.070
Yeah, it's beautiful. Every one of them. Beautiful.

00:50:06.130 --> 00:50:11.079
Several supporters here in Texas. You know Kyle.

00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.639
Yeah, yeah. They all flew out and prayed over

00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.239
me. It was just an incredible outpouring for

00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.380
us personally, but the Spirit of God, how the

00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:26.119
Holy Spirit came into that. Yes. It's fundamental.

00:50:26.380 --> 00:50:27.639
I don't know if I was supposed to do a commercial

00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.139
for Advent Health. I think they're going to do

00:50:29.139 --> 00:50:31.519
a video. They want to get this out to the entire

00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.440
community. Beautiful, beautiful. So God continues

00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.780
to move there. There were so many, there were

00:50:37.780 --> 00:50:40.019
pastors, Latino pastors from Texas that would

00:50:40.019 --> 00:50:42.860
send me audio prayers. Oh, I love that. And I

00:50:42.860 --> 00:50:45.780
would just pray them out in the room on my own.

00:50:46.219 --> 00:50:53.219
Oh, love that. What a great idea. You know, and

00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:55.340
maybe I had experienced this in degrees, but

00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:59.519
the Bible talks about the Holy Spirit, just the

00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:05.010
comforter. Yes. I don't have words to articulate

00:51:05.010 --> 00:51:08.389
what I felt, but it is as if I was standing in

00:51:08.389 --> 00:51:12.150
a fire, a literal fire, but I was completely

00:51:12.150 --> 00:51:15.650
insulated. I could almost hear the flames. I

00:51:15.650 --> 00:51:18.909
could hear the noise. I could feel it, but I

00:51:18.909 --> 00:51:25.050
was completely insulated. I felt joy. I felt

00:51:25.050 --> 00:51:28.010
joy. As bad as this was, and I wouldn't wish

00:51:28.010 --> 00:51:31.250
it, I wouldn't take a million dollars for it.

00:51:31.230 --> 00:51:36.110
Because of what I experienced and how that deepened

00:51:36.110 --> 00:51:39.429
my faith in a way that really nothing else could.

00:51:39.710 --> 00:51:45.070
It's not natural. It's supernatural. And that's

00:51:45.070 --> 00:51:48.099
what people need to understand is that. You can

00:51:48.099 --> 00:51:50.059
live up in a down world. I mean, it's the name

00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:52.139
of our podcast, but that's not just some cute

00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:54.980
name. I came up with that in college when I wrote

00:51:54.980 --> 00:51:57.679
a paper. I was charged to write a paper on any

00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.860
topic I want. And I just, Lord, what should I

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:02.820
write on living up in a down world? Okay, I like

00:52:02.820 --> 00:52:04.659
that. And I went with it. It's sort of a Zig

00:52:04.659 --> 00:52:08.409
Ziglar type thing. Over the years, it's stuck

00:52:08.409 --> 00:52:10.989
with me. That's why we call this podcast that,

00:52:11.050 --> 00:52:14.829
because we can. We can live above the line, above

00:52:14.829 --> 00:52:16.670
the fray. Everybody's losing their mind. I always

00:52:16.670 --> 00:52:19.570
get a picture of when the flood started, when

00:52:19.570 --> 00:52:21.210
the rain started coming, and everybody's beating

00:52:21.210 --> 00:52:24.510
the doors of the boat to get in. And Noah's going,

00:52:24.690 --> 00:52:28.210
you had a chance. But it's all above the noise,

00:52:28.309 --> 00:52:34.119
all above. What you felt. So the Greek word,

00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:37.260
the Koine Greek word is the parakletos. That's

00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:40.099
for the Holy Spirit. And it means the one called

00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:43.280
alongside to help. But it also means comforter,

00:52:43.340 --> 00:52:49.039
counselor, intercessor, friend. All of those.

00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:51.980
And you got to experience those. facets and more,

00:52:52.099 --> 00:52:54.699
I'm sure, many more of that. Those are just some

00:52:54.699 --> 00:52:57.719
of the names that go along with that word parakletos

00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.920
or paraclete in the Greek. And so you experienced

00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.219
Him. You experienced not only the power, and

00:53:04.219 --> 00:53:06.219
everybody gets enamored with the power of the

00:53:06.219 --> 00:53:09.320
Holy Spirit, but not many people get as enamored

00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.260
with the person of the Holy Spirit. He truly

00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:15.719
is a comforter. He's a counselor when you need

00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.579
Him to be. Our pastor at church had been leading

00:53:19.579 --> 00:53:26.099
us into a better understanding of the Holy Spirit,

00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:30.739
which I didn't have a great understanding of

00:53:30.739 --> 00:53:33.360
that. It's almost like he's the ignored person

00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.380
in the Trinity. But I had been really trying

00:53:36.380 --> 00:53:39.860
to dial into that and praying for that. Beautiful.

00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:45.539
Wow. Did God answer my prayer? Wow. Did he ever?

00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:48.840
You know, did he ever? Whatever he chose, whatever

00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.440
that was. Yes. I'm grateful. I'm just grateful

00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.179
because I feel like he is not a stranger. No,

00:53:56.300 --> 00:53:59.739
he is not. And I can see that on you both. And

00:53:59.739 --> 00:54:02.019
it's interesting because Annette and I were actually

00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:04.420
wondering because we didn't know your spiritual

00:54:04.420 --> 00:54:06.969
background. We're like. You know, I wonder if

00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:08.210
they believe in the Holy Spirit. They believe,

00:54:08.250 --> 00:54:10.849
because some don't. I taught on six months on

00:54:10.849 --> 00:54:12.989
the Holy Spirit in this church to Lutherans and

00:54:12.989 --> 00:54:15.389
Catholics and Baptists and Presbyterians. This

00:54:15.389 --> 00:54:17.429
is Fredericksburg, Texas. That's right. And we're

00:54:17.429 --> 00:54:18.829
in the belt bug of the Bible Belt here in the

00:54:18.829 --> 00:54:22.130
Hill Country. But I taught it biblically. And

00:54:22.130 --> 00:54:24.610
I said this, the Holy Spirit's not weird. People

00:54:24.610 --> 00:54:27.550
are weird. And the people that are weird with

00:54:27.550 --> 00:54:29.489
the Holy Spirit were weird before they had the

00:54:29.489 --> 00:54:32.849
Holy Spirit. So don't blame the Holy Spirit for

00:54:32.849 --> 00:54:35.909
weirdness. It's not a fair. It's a bad label.

00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:39.070
But what happened is the enemy has taught people,

00:54:39.190 --> 00:54:44.289
Pavlov's dog response, that if he can expose

00:54:44.289 --> 00:54:49.519
you to negative, bizarre, weird people. that

00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.019
claim the Holy Spirit, then it inoculates you

00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:55.659
from wanting, isn't that genius? What a great,

00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.880
if he can cut off the very source you need, you

00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.320
know, Acts 1 .8, when the Holy Spirit comes upon

00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:05.260
you, you will receive power and you shall be

00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:08.619
my witnesses. Starting here in Judea, Jerusalem,

00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:12.820
Judea, and Samaria, other parts of the earth.

00:55:12.940 --> 00:55:15.679
So the very thing we need, we get inoculated

00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.280
to. And we see that in the... We see that in

00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:19.639
the government realm. We see that in the cultural

00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.059
engagement realm. The MO of the enemy doesn't

00:55:23.059 --> 00:55:25.659
change. He's actually quite predictable. You

00:55:25.659 --> 00:55:27.659
know, as a Christian businessman, I think the

00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:31.380
arena up until this moment, believe it or not,

00:55:31.539 --> 00:55:36.539
that most reflects the Holy Spirit, the Spirit

00:55:36.539 --> 00:55:42.019
of God, is the business world. Why? Because the

00:55:42.019 --> 00:55:44.820
entrepreneur knows the risk that has to be taken.

00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.710
There's always risk. You talk about pastors having

00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:50.650
fear. Think about that. Think about that phrase.

00:55:51.650 --> 00:55:54.989
A pastor has fear. We all have them. I'm not

00:55:54.989 --> 00:55:57.989
condemning here. But in business, you have fear.

00:55:58.429 --> 00:56:02.449
But if you don't overcome that fear, you succumb

00:56:02.449 --> 00:56:05.570
to it and you go out of business. So that's why

00:56:05.570 --> 00:56:07.630
I love the entrepreneur. I love the business

00:56:07.630 --> 00:56:09.829
leader because there's a connection there. And

00:56:09.829 --> 00:56:13.449
for the pastor that's out there like you. You

00:56:13.449 --> 00:56:15.150
have that connection with business people. It's

00:56:15.150 --> 00:56:18.110
an instant connection because of the risk. It

00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:21.050
is. You overcome that risk. So the Holy Spirit

00:56:21.050 --> 00:56:24.869
in our business life has guided us so many times.

00:56:25.250 --> 00:56:28.030
We could have a whole podcast just on that. We

00:56:28.030 --> 00:56:29.289
will. Another time. We could get a partner in

00:56:29.289 --> 00:56:31.710
here one day and talk about how God did this

00:56:31.710 --> 00:56:33.250
and God did that. We heard this and we heard

00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:35.530
that. We're totally against what the world says

00:56:35.530 --> 00:56:37.909
to do. We did it God's way, and God showed up

00:56:37.909 --> 00:56:40.530
in a mighty way. And that's what the journey

00:56:40.530 --> 00:56:45.079
we're on is. It's not about comfort. No. It's

00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.260
not about comfort. He doesn't really care about

00:56:47.260 --> 00:56:49.619
our comfort. This is an awakening for me when

00:56:49.619 --> 00:56:51.519
I realize he cared more about my character than

00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.579
my comfort, and he'll do whatever it takes to

00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:56.000
get my character sharpened, and the comfort may

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.820
or may not come. Romans tells us God's mission

00:56:58.820 --> 00:57:01.840
for you and me as his believers is to be conformed

00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.760
to the image of his son. Digest that. He left

00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:15.039
the pearly. Yes. Yeah. Philippians chapter 1

00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.880
talks about how he let go and did not hang on

00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.860
to divinity, to his divinity. He let it go. Amazing.

00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:30.880
Yes. Oh, I thank the Lord the Bible gave us that

00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:40.079
human side. Don't you? Wow. Mm -hmm. Because

00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:44.659
he loved us, he loved his daddy. He wanted to

00:57:44.659 --> 00:57:47.800
please his father. That's what I'm supposed to

00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.119
do. So that word. Yeah, whatever. That word.

00:57:51.340 --> 00:57:55.260
It cost me everything. Oh, so you got to hear

00:57:55.260 --> 00:57:59.320
this. I'm nerd out on Greek. So when it says

00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:03.659
that he, for the joy set before him, he despised

00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:06.539
the shame. The word despise means to step over.

00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.400
It literally means. So when you despise something,

00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.880
you step over it. And it says he despised the

00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.440
shame. He stepped right over the shame. I mean,

00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.739
like it wasn't even there, not even a speed bump.

00:58:17.900 --> 00:58:20.679
He steps over it because he's looking to the

00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.920
cross. He sees, and the beauty of it is he saw

00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.139
what's on the other side of the cross. On the

00:58:26.139 --> 00:58:30.210
other side of our obedience is victory. It's

00:58:30.210 --> 00:58:32.670
this abundant life that John 10, 10 talks about.

00:58:32.750 --> 00:58:34.610
You know, when people quote John 10, 10, they

00:58:34.610 --> 00:58:36.449
quote the first part of it more than the last.

00:58:36.550 --> 00:58:39.269
First part is the enemy seeks to steal, to kill

00:58:39.269 --> 00:58:41.630
and destroy. Everybody's, oh yeah, it's terrible.

00:58:41.789 --> 00:58:44.789
But Jesus flips the script and says, but I came

00:58:44.789 --> 00:58:47.670
that you might have life, have it more abundantly,

00:58:47.690 --> 00:58:51.130
have it to the full. That's what he saw. And

00:58:51.130 --> 00:58:54.329
on the other side of our, when we, when we despise.

00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.980
When we despise the temptation, despise what

00:58:57.980 --> 00:59:01.159
he despises, we step over it. And that to me

00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:05.679
is what Jesus did. He simply stepped over it

00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:08.260
like it was a speed bump. I mean, just kept going.

00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:18.579
Beautiful. Yes. Step over it, despise it. Yeah,

00:59:18.579 --> 00:59:21.019
we've, you know, we've redefined some words differently.

00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.039
But when you get back and you start mining out

00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.659
the jewels of the word of God, that's one of

00:59:25.659 --> 00:59:28.340
those jewels. And I go to Revelation 12 too all

00:59:28.340 --> 00:59:30.940
the time. You know, John's looking down the portal

00:59:30.940 --> 00:59:33.420
of time to our generation. And he says, they

00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:36.280
defeated him who's Satan. That's who we're fighting.

00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.099
Yes. By the blood of the lamb. Yeah. It's been

00:59:39.099 --> 00:59:41.900
done. But the two thirds of this equation is

00:59:41.900 --> 00:59:45.800
on me. Yes. Blood of the lamb, word of my testimony.

00:59:45.820 --> 00:59:48.110
Yeah. What does that look like? Well. Personally,

00:59:48.210 --> 00:59:51.250
I need to have my life clean and straight and

00:59:51.250 --> 00:59:53.829
all that. But in my community, I'm just standing

00:59:53.829 --> 00:59:56.090
for righteousness. That's it. That's it. In his

00:59:56.090 --> 00:59:58.789
kingdom. And then they did that courage. They

00:59:58.789 --> 01:00:00.650
did not live their lives so much that they shied

01:00:00.650 --> 01:00:04.230
away from death. Dude, that's how we win. That's

01:00:04.230 --> 01:00:06.550
it. You see it beginning to work. There's countries

01:00:06.550 --> 01:00:09.190
coming alive. You're seeing people. Yes. Well,

01:00:09.269 --> 01:00:11.530
I've got to ask you a question because along

01:00:11.530 --> 01:00:14.409
that line, you've got to give us a little bit

01:00:14.409 --> 01:00:16.449
of what you saw on the other side of the veil.

01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:20.460
on the other side of the threshold. Well, the

01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:23.360
last thing I remember before waking up to this

01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.539
beautiful girl in my face eight days later was

01:00:26.539 --> 01:00:30.920
we have a long driveway, and we have cattle guards,

01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.119
and cattle can't get in here. So I remember going

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:39.119
through past the last cattle guard, and the ambulance

01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:43.119
turns to go toward the hospital, and the engine

01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:48.519
is ramping up. And, Pastor, the next thing I

01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:50.619
remember, I literally come up out of the gurney,

01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.539
out of the bed and the ambulance, and there's

01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:57.000
no light. I just walk right into the presence

01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:01.440
of the Lord, and I'm in outer space. And Jesus

01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:04.599
himself, I didn't see his face, but my spirit

01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:08.320
identified it was him, comes to me and puts his

01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:11.219
arm around me just like this. He says, Steve,

01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:14.059
I want to show you what's going on in the spiritual

01:01:14.059 --> 01:01:17.780
realm. And the next scene is we're in space,

01:01:18.019 --> 01:01:20.320
and I was sharing with you last night, I don't

01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:21.800
know how to describe it except think of flat

01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.179
screen TVs because there were breaks in these

01:01:24.179 --> 01:01:26.579
things. But as high as you could see in outer

01:01:26.579 --> 01:01:29.980
space, as low, as far as you could see everywhere

01:01:29.980 --> 01:01:34.500
were these scenes of things going on on Earth.

01:01:35.380 --> 01:01:40.559
And some were good and some were not good. And

01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.039
you speak by thought there. and the thought came

01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.340
was i see everything i see everything and then

01:01:49.340 --> 01:01:53.639
the next thing is a darkened scene uh and it

01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.860
was that night i've been working bev mentioned

01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:58.099
it earlier i've been working on raising some

01:01:58.099 --> 01:02:00.500
funds we're trying to get rescue some girls we'll

01:02:00.500 --> 01:02:03.219
call them sex trafficking and that was a scene

01:02:03.219 --> 01:02:05.940
and there were three points of light that were

01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:09.400
coming into that scene and the darkness had to

01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.219
flee and that's the thought that darkness must

01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:18.019
flee and then i go into another classroom setting

01:02:18.019 --> 01:02:22.619
you know in in same outer space and and he begins

01:02:22.619 --> 01:02:26.820
to share with me the glory of god and how powerful

01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:29.980
it is and how moses wanted to see it but he said

01:02:29.980 --> 01:02:31.579
you can't you see my goodness you can't see my

01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:34.840
glory wow because it's so holy it will we will

01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:40.699
evaporate in his presence wow but hebrews chapter

01:02:40.699 --> 01:02:46.639
one Chapter 1 says that Jesus is the radiance

01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:49.679
of God's glory. So what he was sharing with me

01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.739
is when you have Christ in your heart, you become

01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:55.599
those three points of light entering that darkness.

01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.679
Beautiful. Working with me because now we're

01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:59.659
together. Yeah, co -laboring. We're co -laboring

01:02:59.659 --> 01:03:03.199
together. So that's what you're doing. You're

01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.519
working to push back darkness and the darkness

01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.019
must flee. Wow. And I could go on and on about

01:03:09.019 --> 01:03:12.019
that, but it was just, it was like, yeah, the

01:03:12.019 --> 01:03:14.139
coach is taking me up. Get ready to get back

01:03:14.139 --> 01:03:16.039
in the game. And the next thing was a pep talk.

01:03:16.139 --> 01:03:20.400
He shows me the totals of heaven. And there's,

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.179
again, as far as I could see, there were millions,

01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:25.980
millions, millions of saints, saints that have

01:03:25.980 --> 01:03:33.219
gone on before. And they all had jobs. And they

01:03:33.219 --> 01:03:34.980
were looking at me with a smile on their face

01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:37.880
and said, go, keep going, keep going. It's like,

01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:40.000
man, when you get up here, you can't do any more

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:41.199
down there because there's a lot more to do up

01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:43.559
here. But keep going. We're watching you. You

01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.199
know, we're behind you. The Lord's behind you.

01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.300
You know, that wasn't me. It was for all of us

01:03:48.300 --> 01:03:51.480
on earth that had the light. It was a beautiful

01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.940
scene. Matter of fact, about, what, three or

01:03:54.940 --> 01:03:57.239
four days after I came to and I was totally back

01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.780
in the game, that same scene came to my hospital

01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:02.980
room. And that was with me. I had her in bed

01:04:02.980 --> 01:04:05.639
with me because I couldn't get warm. And so that

01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:07.760
night, I said, honey, do you see them? Oh, my

01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:09.480
goodness. But I believe you see them. I said,

01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:11.639
honey, they're right there. Wow. It was all the

01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.219
saints just smiling. And you know they're here

01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:17.099
right now. They're here. That's what I want to

01:04:17.099 --> 01:04:18.840
share with people. The dimension of the spiritual

01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.599
realm is right here. It's right here. But here's

01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:23.400
the thing. People tend to lean towards the negative.

01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.500
So they, oh, there's demonic activity all around.

01:04:25.699 --> 01:04:28.400
As though that's bigger than what's going on

01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.969
than this. It's a theater full of people. You

01:04:30.969 --> 01:04:33.949
know, I heard a pastor say this this week. Actually,

01:04:33.989 --> 01:04:35.829
it was Art Alley that said this at a function

01:04:35.829 --> 01:04:40.150
this week. He said, he gave this illustration.

01:04:40.750 --> 01:04:43.550
He said, let's say you're a football fan. I mean,

01:04:43.590 --> 01:04:46.730
an avid football fan, Texas or whoever, Aggies,

01:04:46.730 --> 01:04:48.130
whatever. You're an avid fan. They're in the

01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:50.949
championship game. And you find out Saturday

01:04:50.949 --> 01:04:52.690
night at the championship game, your wife says,

01:04:52.789 --> 01:04:54.110
hey, we've got an appointment we've got to make.

01:04:54.110 --> 01:04:56.170
We cannot get out of it. You go, golly, we've

01:04:56.170 --> 01:04:58.489
got to get out of the championship game. Okay,

01:04:58.610 --> 01:05:01.210
honey, so you go, and while you're there, somebody

01:05:01.210 --> 01:05:04.369
slips up and says, hey, your team won. What are

01:05:04.369 --> 01:05:05.969
you going to do if you're an avid fan? You're

01:05:05.969 --> 01:05:07.570
going to go home. You're going to watch the game.

01:05:08.030 --> 01:05:09.750
So you're home watching the game. You already

01:05:09.750 --> 01:05:12.269
know you won. So if you're down by 21 points

01:05:12.269 --> 01:05:15.429
at halftime, does that worry you? Not a bit.

01:05:15.550 --> 01:05:18.690
And the illustration was, that's how we should

01:05:18.690 --> 01:05:22.010
live as Christians. This enemy is defeated. Isaiah

01:05:22.010 --> 01:05:23.670
tells us there's coming a day we're going to

01:05:23.670 --> 01:05:25.489
look at Satan, and the world's going to go, is

01:05:25.489 --> 01:05:28.090
this the guy we feared and troubled? This is

01:05:28.090 --> 01:05:30.849
a joke. That's exactly right. We have the power

01:05:30.849 --> 01:05:34.590
of Christ is in us. We have the power. He is

01:05:34.590 --> 01:05:36.590
supposed to be on defense. The gates of hell.

01:05:36.590 --> 01:05:39.889
That's it. That's it. We're supposed to be on

01:05:39.889 --> 01:05:42.269
offense. Yeah. And somehow we'll miss it. I think

01:05:42.269 --> 01:05:44.849
that's coming back. I do too. He's afraid of

01:05:44.849 --> 01:05:48.610
us. Yes. So those saints are up there and they

01:05:48.610 --> 01:05:51.150
are rooting us on. Oh, man. I saw one family

01:05:51.150 --> 01:05:53.650
member I knew. The rest of them were just, I

01:05:53.650 --> 01:05:55.710
never got to go in. I just got to see what they

01:05:55.710 --> 01:05:58.909
were doing. And Jesus then turned to me. He said,

01:05:58.949 --> 01:06:03.630
Steve, Joel chapter 3. He said, I'm exposing

01:06:03.630 --> 01:06:09.210
the light to all corruption in the world. And

01:06:09.210 --> 01:06:12.090
I'm calling the nations to the valley of decision.

01:06:12.369 --> 01:06:16.349
Wow. Joel chapter 3. And those who have a choice,

01:06:16.409 --> 01:06:19.550
they can receive me or they can reject me. But

01:06:19.550 --> 01:06:22.090
here's the challenge. Here's what I'm here to

01:06:22.090 --> 01:06:25.340
talk about today. The final harvest has begun.

01:06:25.659 --> 01:06:27.659
I'm about to fill the portals of heaven with

01:06:27.659 --> 01:06:31.900
my people. I could tell your friends. Yeah, that's

01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:37.019
it. That's the message. That's the message. Two

01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:40.300
perspectives. Yeah, we're not here. This is so

01:06:40.300 --> 01:06:44.690
beautiful, though. Yours was having to... Get

01:06:44.690 --> 01:06:47.449
past your own fears and fight through your mind

01:06:47.449 --> 01:06:50.010
wars because you were in a mind war. The Spirit's

01:06:50.010 --> 01:06:53.070
saying, be at peace, rest. He's bringing people

01:06:53.070 --> 01:06:55.230
along to tell you that. Your mind's trying to

01:06:55.230 --> 01:06:56.929
tell you other things, and you had to really

01:06:56.929 --> 01:07:02.289
fight and contend for your peace. Every thought,

01:07:02.530 --> 01:07:09.969
every thought to the obedience of Christ. So

01:07:09.969 --> 01:07:13.050
you were fighting your own war while you are

01:07:13.050 --> 01:07:15.829
getting surgery of some kind. I mean, I'm not

01:07:15.829 --> 01:07:17.530
talking about, I'm talking about spiritual surgery.

01:07:17.650 --> 01:07:21.929
The Holy Spirit took you and Jesus to show you

01:07:21.929 --> 01:07:23.750
some things so that you could come back and tell

01:07:23.750 --> 01:07:27.050
us to not be afraid. Don't be afraid and don't

01:07:27.050 --> 01:07:29.539
quit. Don't quit. Stay the course. I've only

01:07:29.539 --> 01:07:32.159
gotten one verbal word from God. I mean, I've

01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:33.679
got friends that hear God all the time. I'm like,

01:07:33.780 --> 01:07:36.300
how do you do that? You know, one time it was

01:07:36.300 --> 01:07:39.000
after a really hard crisis. I'm driving out 87.

01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.280
I'm beating my steering wheel. I'm mad. I'm like,

01:07:41.300 --> 01:07:46.469
Lord, why? This is. I trust you, but, you know,

01:07:46.550 --> 01:07:49.750
this is really hard. It was heart -rending. And

01:07:49.750 --> 01:07:53.489
I heard these words, stay the course. Three words,

01:07:53.610 --> 01:07:56.469
not complicated, something I can actually remember.

01:07:56.610 --> 01:07:58.929
I'm a simple guy. So I'm just like, that's it.

01:07:59.030 --> 01:08:01.210
And that was all I needed to hear. That was about

01:08:01.210 --> 01:08:03.909
four years ago. And I hear that word 10 times

01:08:03.909 --> 01:08:06.929
a day right now. I hear it just as though I heard

01:08:06.929 --> 01:08:09.590
it that moment. And that's what you got. When

01:08:09.590 --> 01:08:13.960
the Lord so impacts your life. He implants something

01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.300
that will never go away, can never be shaken,

01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:18.859
can never be taken. No one can take it away from

01:08:18.859 --> 01:08:21.939
you. You know what he said to you, and you know

01:08:21.939 --> 01:08:23.979
what he said to you. I know what he said. That

01:08:23.979 --> 01:08:25.939
means we never have to be afraid again. That's

01:08:25.939 --> 01:08:28.340
right. Another interesting story in all this

01:08:28.340 --> 01:08:31.600
is Beth had a second cousin that we don't see

01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:35.060
often. She's a believer. She goes to church with

01:08:35.060 --> 01:08:42.750
my mom. She had a vision as well. The day this

01:08:42.750 --> 01:08:44.689
happened, I believe, the day all this happened,

01:08:44.729 --> 01:08:47.149
she didn't know what had happened. But she got

01:08:47.149 --> 01:08:49.270
a vision. She had to get a hold of my mom. She

01:08:49.270 --> 01:08:50.890
went to my brother -in -law, my sister -in -law

01:08:50.890 --> 01:08:54.829
to do that, where the enemy had come after me,

01:08:54.949 --> 01:08:58.289
was trying to take me out. The vision is me in

01:08:58.289 --> 01:08:59.909
a hospital bed, hooked up to all this equipment.

01:09:00.750 --> 01:09:03.449
But an angel, a 15 -foot tall angel, said she

01:09:03.449 --> 01:09:06.869
felt it. The angel felt the entire room. It had

01:09:06.869 --> 01:09:10.430
its wings over me protecting me from the enemy.

01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.020
Three days later, she has another vision. The

01:09:13.020 --> 01:09:15.939
angel's gone. The enemy come back to get me again.

01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:18.939
But the prayers of the saints held him back.

01:09:19.739 --> 01:09:23.359
So we're here to say prayer works. We've seen

01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:27.020
prayer work. Don't quit praying. Beautiful. Pastors

01:09:27.020 --> 01:09:29.340
that listen to this or anybody in the name of

01:09:29.340 --> 01:09:31.939
Jesus doing any work for his kingdom, do not

01:09:31.939 --> 01:09:35.819
give up. Continue on. It's all a part of this

01:09:35.819 --> 01:09:39.750
tapestry that he's working out. When I came home,

01:09:39.789 --> 01:09:42.430
the first day I was home, I have a private Bible

01:09:42.430 --> 01:09:46.109
time every morning for years. And I was just

01:09:46.109 --> 01:09:50.050
pondering that whole scene. And I'd say it humbly.

01:09:50.130 --> 01:09:52.750
Now, Beth says, her second cousin said it was

01:09:52.750 --> 01:09:58.989
Gabriel. Beth says, no, I rank him. But that

01:09:58.989 --> 01:10:01.310
little voice told me, Lord, the Spirit of the

01:10:01.310 --> 01:10:04.409
Lord said, Steve, I sent the angels to protect

01:10:04.409 --> 01:10:08.989
you until war got out. Once the word got out,

01:10:09.069 --> 01:10:10.689
the prayers of the saints are enough to hold

01:10:10.689 --> 01:10:14.229
back the enemy. So that's a message I want to

01:10:14.229 --> 01:10:16.890
give to people. Don't give up your prayers, your

01:10:16.890 --> 01:10:19.970
prayer life. The fervent prayer of a righteous

01:10:19.970 --> 01:10:23.670
person availeth much. We saw that happen, not

01:10:23.670 --> 01:10:27.270
just in I didn't die, but the fast recovery in

01:10:27.270 --> 01:10:29.869
one week. Oh, yeah, miraculous. I'm walking out

01:10:29.869 --> 01:10:31.909
of the hospital. You're dancing out of the hospital.

01:10:32.050 --> 01:10:33.850
Yeah, dancing. It was a bad dance. I get it,

01:10:33.850 --> 01:10:36.470
but it was a dance anyway. But how did that happen?

01:10:36.510 --> 01:10:40.359
My heart was. back to 100 my lungs were clear

01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.300
that night i had 105 degree temperature it went

01:10:43.300 --> 01:10:45.199
down to zero by daybreak and you regained your

01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.279
kidney function you regained kidney function

01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.119
100 they're talking about kidney replacement

01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:53.479
wow shock seven times five shots directly in

01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.760
the heart with epi shots they said there's no

01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:57.960
way seven shocks from a paddles you're gonna

01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.800
survive your kidneys will not survive that they

01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.300
survived everything survived so the miracle was

01:11:03.300 --> 01:11:05.710
not only I was saved from being killed, but there's

01:11:05.710 --> 01:11:08.289
no damage, no brain damage. Still questionable.

01:11:09.170 --> 01:11:11.789
But no brain damage. I feel better than I've

01:11:11.789 --> 01:11:14.350
ever felt. Brother. And so we're just saying,

01:11:14.409 --> 01:11:17.369
Lord, just show us where to go. Yes. Give it

01:11:17.369 --> 01:11:20.789
our all and don't fear anything. That's it. That's

01:11:20.789 --> 01:11:24.130
it. We've got bracelets for the girls using that

01:11:24.130 --> 01:11:28.270
phrase. All my daughters and my soon -to -be

01:11:28.270 --> 01:11:30.770
daughter -in -law. And we put that scripture

01:11:30.770 --> 01:11:35.529
on there, Matthew 536. Do not fear, just believe.

01:11:36.250 --> 01:11:39.069
That's Beth's message. Do not fear, just believe.

01:11:39.590 --> 01:11:42.550
And a pastor said, man, I fear maybe this. Do

01:11:42.550 --> 01:11:46.670
not fear, just believe. Just believe. Do what

01:11:46.670 --> 01:11:49.550
God tells you to do. Get in the lion's den. Because

01:11:49.550 --> 01:11:51.569
there are souls to be saved in the community.

01:11:52.050 --> 01:11:54.310
There's a righteousness to stand up for. We're

01:11:54.310 --> 01:11:56.939
going to face him one day. And he's going to

01:11:56.939 --> 01:12:00.140
say, well done. There it is. And I'll close with

01:12:00.140 --> 01:12:01.600
this because I love this illustration. Because

01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.500
in one day that week, that same week, I studied

01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:06.819
the Matthew 7, I think it is, where the Bible

01:12:06.819 --> 01:12:10.800
says, Jesus tells these supposedly pastors, depart

01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.000
from me, I never knew you. And they said, what

01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:14.699
do you mean? We cast demons out of you. What

01:12:14.699 --> 01:12:18.479
do you mean you don't know us? And the next day

01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:23.359
I studied Rahab. Rahab. She made it to the faith

01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:29.340
hall of fame. How does a pastor not make it into

01:12:29.340 --> 01:12:33.079
heaven? Yeah. By not knowing God. Yeah. And Rahab

01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:36.979
is on the front row hall of fame. And I think

01:12:36.979 --> 01:12:40.840
I come to a layman's conclusion. Rahab risked

01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:45.539
her life. Brother, you got it. Right? Yes. Does

01:12:45.539 --> 01:12:47.199
that make sense? Yes. I'm looking up something

01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:48.840
while you're talking in the scripture. These

01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:51.420
people in the hall of fame, they all risked their

01:12:51.420 --> 01:12:53.699
lives. They all laid down their most precious

01:12:53.699 --> 01:12:56.399
everything, whatever it is. They feared, but

01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:58.840
they overcame it and said, I fear and love God

01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:02.260
more than I love myself. That is the message

01:13:02.260 --> 01:13:06.539
to everybody out there. We stand for righteousness.

01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:08.720
We stand for the king. The enemy is defeated.

01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:12.020
We put him first, his kingdom, his righteousness.

01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:14.840
All these things will be added unto us, including

01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.420
saving a nation, including your children coming

01:13:17.420 --> 01:13:19.819
to know the Lord, including being healed. Wow.

01:13:20.649 --> 01:13:23.409
It's interesting in Revelation chapter 21, listen

01:13:23.409 --> 01:13:27.270
to this verse. Jesus himself is speaking to John

01:13:27.270 --> 01:13:30.229
on Patmos Island, right? John's just like, he's

01:13:30.229 --> 01:13:33.449
having, he's seeing that open outer space probably

01:13:33.449 --> 01:13:36.109
like you did. And he says, I saw a holy city,

01:13:36.170 --> 01:13:38.329
the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from

01:13:38.329 --> 01:13:40.970
God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

01:13:40.989 --> 01:13:43.369
He goes on and on. And he says, he'll wipe away

01:13:43.369 --> 01:13:46.149
every tear from their eyes. Just such, whoa,

01:13:46.210 --> 01:13:48.569
life, right? And he says, he who is seated on

01:13:48.569 --> 01:13:51.289
the throne said, behold, I'm making all things

01:13:51.289 --> 01:13:53.430
new. So we know there's a massive restoration

01:13:53.430 --> 01:13:56.750
coming. He says this, the one who conquers will

01:13:56.750 --> 01:13:59.949
have this heritage, that inheritance of all he

01:13:59.949 --> 01:14:01.770
just said, and I will be his God and he will

01:14:01.770 --> 01:14:04.810
be my son. But now he turns the corner. He flips

01:14:04.810 --> 01:14:08.989
the scripts in verse 8 of Revelation 21. But

01:14:08.989 --> 01:14:13.069
as for, and he begins to lead, give a list of

01:14:13.069 --> 01:14:16.010
those who will not inherit, those who are going

01:14:16.010 --> 01:14:19.449
to perish. The first out of the list, let me

01:14:19.449 --> 01:14:21.029
just tell you some of the names on the list.

01:14:21.090 --> 01:14:24.369
The faithless, the detestable. As for murderers,

01:14:24.369 --> 01:14:27.510
the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, liars,

01:14:27.510 --> 01:14:29.489
their portion will be in the lake that burns

01:14:29.489 --> 01:14:31.789
with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

01:14:31.930 --> 01:14:34.210
But you know what the number one is? But the

01:14:34.210 --> 01:14:38.289
cowardly, the faithless, the detestable. Number

01:14:38.289 --> 01:14:42.449
one on the list is the cowards. The cowards.

01:14:43.390 --> 01:14:47.510
Exactly. Right there, Revelation 21a, number

01:14:47.510 --> 01:14:49.930
one on the list is coward. When I read that,

01:14:49.989 --> 01:14:52.409
my wife treated me to this verse one day. She

01:14:52.409 --> 01:14:55.449
said, have you read this? She said, we cannot

01:14:55.449 --> 01:14:58.430
be afraid. This is my wife. She's fire. She's

01:14:58.430 --> 01:15:01.689
dynamite. She is. And she's a woman of faith.

01:15:04.060 --> 01:15:05.840
I'd probably read that scripture at some point,

01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:08.680
but I wasn't swimming in Revelation 21 no more

01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.279
than I swim in Lamentations. So I was like, no,

01:15:11.420 --> 01:15:14.380
I haven't seen that. And we begin to really think

01:15:14.380 --> 01:15:17.399
that through and how the first thing on the list

01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:21.159
is the cowardly, the timid, the fearful. What

01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:24.920
is he saying about following Jesus? And what

01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.460
is one of our greatest marks of being a follower

01:15:27.460 --> 01:15:30.159
of Jesus? They love their lives, not unto death.

01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:34.430
No fear. No fear because they understand this

01:15:34.430 --> 01:15:37.649
is a pale shadow. This is a bad copy of the real

01:15:37.649 --> 01:15:45.010
thing. Exactly. This is just boot camp right

01:15:45.010 --> 01:15:47.470
here. This is getting us ready. The real thing

01:15:47.470 --> 01:15:50.670
comes later. I remember Dr. Jack Taylor saying

01:15:50.670 --> 01:15:53.880
that this is not real. What we're experiencing

01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:57.060
now has massive consequences for your eternity.

01:15:57.220 --> 01:16:00.220
You've got to get that right. But this is a bad

01:16:00.220 --> 01:16:03.479
copy of the real thing. And the enemy's been

01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:06.199
trying to replicate and counterfeit it ever since.

01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:08.680
But I'm telling you, there's something coming

01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:12.460
and you got a glimpse. And you've given us a

01:16:12.460 --> 01:16:14.779
glimpse in our mind's eye or sanctified imagination.

01:16:15.380 --> 01:16:18.960
And, you know, turning, I think it's easy growing

01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:25.659
up. And now looking at our societies today, it's

01:16:25.659 --> 01:16:28.939
so easy, especially in the Western society, to

01:16:28.939 --> 01:16:32.420
get distracted from what's really important.

01:16:32.739 --> 01:16:36.420
Yes. You know? And so we wind up, there's a great

01:16:36.420 --> 01:16:38.439
essay I think I wrote many years ago, it's called

01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:42.159
The Tyranny of the Urgent. And the urgent things

01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:45.520
get in the way of the important. Yeah. The important

01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:47.520
is seeing things through the prism of spiritual

01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:51.050
eyes. And what we're seeing In our country today,

01:16:51.109 --> 01:16:54.050
I believe it's all orchestrated by God, but I

01:16:54.050 --> 01:16:58.430
share with several people at the meeting on Tuesday,

01:16:58.550 --> 01:17:02.390
but when you have a president give a speech and

01:17:02.390 --> 01:17:04.989
recognizes a 13 -year -old cancer victim, and

01:17:04.989 --> 01:17:07.430
you see faces in the crowd that can't respond

01:17:07.430 --> 01:17:11.630
to that, what that is is a soul that's been given

01:17:11.630 --> 01:17:16.050
over to a depraved mind. Yes, absolutely. Reprobate

01:17:16.050 --> 01:17:21.850
mind. We live in a spiritual world. And so seeing

01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:24.869
it in spiritual eyes becomes the important. Yes.

01:17:24.989 --> 01:17:27.670
All of a sudden, maybe it's not me rushing to

01:17:27.670 --> 01:17:30.010
get, I'm using a stupid example here, get in

01:17:30.010 --> 01:17:32.409
front of the line of food at your church. It's

01:17:32.409 --> 01:17:34.869
understanding that maybe that person right here

01:17:34.869 --> 01:17:37.250
needs to hear a comforting word or the waiter

01:17:37.250 --> 01:17:40.449
needs to know we're praying for her. Yeah. You

01:17:40.449 --> 01:17:43.529
know what I mean? Yes. Yes. Every day. We all

01:17:43.529 --> 01:17:45.189
can do it. A friend reached out to me this morning

01:17:45.189 --> 01:17:47.390
and said, pray for me. I'm feeling very impatient

01:17:47.390 --> 01:17:50.310
right now about things. We've got so many things

01:17:50.310 --> 01:17:52.109
on our schedule. I can't get to the things I

01:17:52.109 --> 01:17:54.670
feel like I need to get to. And I said, you know,

01:17:54.689 --> 01:17:57.750
what if I just threw this out. What if those

01:17:57.750 --> 01:18:01.210
interruptions. are the preparation you need for

01:18:01.210 --> 01:18:03.470
what you're trying to get done. What if those

01:18:03.470 --> 01:18:05.829
interruptions are the will of God in that moment?

01:18:05.989 --> 01:18:07.729
Of course, he wrote me back. Great perspective.

01:18:07.729 --> 01:18:10.949
Thank you. He didn't get sympathy, but he got

01:18:10.949 --> 01:18:13.109
just maybe a different perspective. Could it

01:18:13.109 --> 01:18:15.489
be those interruptions and those things that

01:18:15.489 --> 01:18:18.430
we think are not important are actually the important

01:18:18.430 --> 01:18:21.729
thing, whether it's a person, a situation, circumstance?

01:18:22.329 --> 01:18:24.630
Same thing. It's a mindset. One sidebar to this

01:18:24.630 --> 01:18:27.970
whole journey that we were just on. And that

01:18:27.970 --> 01:18:30.810
just illustrated it beautifully is that as the

01:18:30.810 --> 01:18:33.170
body of Christ, we don't have to do this alone.

01:18:33.670 --> 01:18:38.130
You know, in Mark chapter two, when the four

01:18:38.130 --> 01:18:41.229
friends lowered their paralyzed friend down through

01:18:41.229 --> 01:18:46.470
the roof to see Jesus and Jesus saw that and

01:18:46.470 --> 01:18:48.170
he looked at the man, he said, you know, your

01:18:48.170 --> 01:18:52.510
sins are forgiven because of their faith. It

01:18:52.510 --> 01:18:56.750
matters who you circle. Yes, it does. Well said.

01:18:57.130 --> 01:19:00.369
Because you have a circle that is praying for

01:19:00.369 --> 01:19:04.510
you, that is holding up your arm, you know, that

01:19:04.510 --> 01:19:09.229
is with you. And that is the Holy Spirit. Yes.

01:19:09.229 --> 01:19:12.369
Getting all that together. And that is one thing

01:19:12.369 --> 01:19:15.810
that I feel like this whole experience really

01:19:15.810 --> 01:19:18.210
brought to life to me, that this is spiritual.

01:19:18.609 --> 01:19:22.750
Yes. And how woefully unprepared I was to my

01:19:22.750 --> 01:19:28.539
own. I'm disappointed in myself. But God put

01:19:28.539 --> 01:19:31.859
me on a fast track. Yes, that's His mercy. It's

01:19:31.859 --> 01:19:33.619
His grace. And I was telling you this, but just

01:19:33.619 --> 01:19:35.619
a little bit of time I've spent with you and

01:19:35.619 --> 01:19:39.140
your wife, and the nuggets that you've spoken

01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:46.260
to me, I can't articulate to you how the Holy

01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:50.560
Spirit has taken that. It's blooming, and I am

01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:55.229
so grateful for people who have courage. to speak

01:19:55.229 --> 01:19:58.149
out and to love people because people are messy,

01:19:58.289 --> 01:20:01.930
right? We're all a mess. We're all a hot mess.

01:20:02.149 --> 01:20:05.649
We're all a hot mess. We're all a mess. I think

01:20:05.649 --> 01:20:07.550
there's a great awakening happening. It's just

01:20:07.550 --> 01:20:10.130
such a beautiful tapestry. As I travel the country

01:20:10.130 --> 01:20:12.670
now, of course, we're sharing this story now.

01:20:12.890 --> 01:20:15.590
There's so much thirst, and I know we're going

01:20:15.590 --> 01:20:18.729
to speak to your people tomorrow. I'm excited

01:20:18.729 --> 01:20:21.239
about it. I'm so looking forward to it. And what

01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:23.140
I found, and I don't know how many times we've

01:20:23.140 --> 01:20:26.460
done this now, 14 or 15 times now, but her message

01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:30.920
that God's given her is the most profound. Mine

01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:32.880
is encouragement. You know, mine's real easy.

01:20:33.260 --> 01:20:35.880
Precious in the sight of the Lord. Your best

01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:39.279
day on earth is that day here, right? But her

01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:44.039
message, and don't fear. But her message just

01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:47.949
resonates somehow. And I think it's because there's

01:20:47.949 --> 01:20:50.050
an old Chinese proverb that says, when the student

01:20:50.050 --> 01:20:53.770
is ready, the teacher will appear. Oh, wow. And

01:20:53.770 --> 01:20:58.770
I think our nation is ready. There's a thirst.

01:20:58.970 --> 01:21:01.729
And God reacts to the hunger and the thirst.

01:21:01.789 --> 01:21:04.289
He's attracted to it. He's attracted to it. Yes.

01:21:04.609 --> 01:21:09.050
He shows up. James 4 .8 is so simple. I'm a simple

01:21:09.050 --> 01:21:12.510
man, so I like simple things. Draw near to God,

01:21:12.649 --> 01:21:16.279
and He will draw near to you. One verse. Just

01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:19.659
a few words. Draw near to God. He's asking for

01:21:19.659 --> 01:21:22.880
us to initiate movement. And however that looks,

01:21:22.939 --> 01:21:25.840
maybe humming a hymn, it may be putting on Godcaster

01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.100
and listening to worship or in the car, turning

01:21:28.100 --> 01:21:30.159
your cab into a cathedral, right? I mean, just

01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.579
your shower into a temple. I mean, we're just

01:21:32.579 --> 01:21:35.960
with Him. And that praying without ceasing, which

01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:38.100
we talked about at the beginning of this. I love

01:21:38.100 --> 01:21:40.409
what Brother Lawrence and Frank Laubach. did

01:21:40.409 --> 01:21:42.369
that little booklet called Practicing the Presence

01:21:42.369 --> 01:21:45.029
of God, The Practice of the Presence of God,

01:21:45.130 --> 01:21:47.630
where it's an ongoing conversation. I don't say

01:21:47.630 --> 01:21:50.090
amen hardly anymore because it doesn't stop.

01:21:50.590 --> 01:21:54.090
I go to bed in the middle of a prayer. I guess

01:21:54.090 --> 01:21:55.989
I keep God on hold all night. I wake up and go,

01:21:56.029 --> 01:21:59.289
and as I was saying, Lord, usually it's good

01:21:59.289 --> 01:22:01.470
morning, Holy Spirit. Good morning, Abba Father.

01:22:01.510 --> 01:22:04.409
Good morning. And as I was saying. You shared

01:22:04.409 --> 01:22:08.329
with us last night about grace in a way I'd never

01:22:08.329 --> 01:22:13.649
heard in my entire life. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

01:22:14.329 --> 01:22:16.369
Well, you know, there's a lot of, there's a movement

01:22:16.369 --> 01:22:18.630
in grace right now. Grace movement. Grace is

01:22:18.630 --> 01:22:21.869
cool now. You know, it's trendy now. And unfortunately,

01:22:22.069 --> 01:22:26.729
it's an aberration of biblical grace where it's

01:22:26.729 --> 01:22:29.409
turned into this, you know, I'm okay, you're

01:22:29.409 --> 01:22:31.609
okay. It's very humanistic. I mean, it's got

01:22:31.609 --> 01:22:35.350
that whole secular humanist bent to it. But biblically,

01:22:35.409 --> 01:22:40.229
grace is literally God's power. God's strength,

01:22:40.470 --> 01:22:44.689
God's ability, God's authority, and God's favor

01:22:44.689 --> 01:22:48.149
to do what we cannot in and of ourselves do.

01:22:48.670 --> 01:22:51.010
And the reason I came to that conclusion, I did

01:22:51.010 --> 01:22:53.529
a deep dive study years ago and found various,

01:22:53.609 --> 01:22:56.250
there's an amalgam of definitions that I pulled

01:22:56.250 --> 01:22:59.949
from. But also realize this, the Bible says that

01:22:59.949 --> 01:23:04.590
Jesus was full of grace and truth. And most people

01:23:04.590 --> 01:23:09.569
define grace as... undeserved favor. It's just

01:23:09.569 --> 01:23:13.409
unmerited favors, the classic definition. And

01:23:13.409 --> 01:23:15.109
I remember hearing that thinking, that is so

01:23:15.109 --> 01:23:18.630
one -dimensional. It's got to be multifaceted

01:23:18.630 --> 01:23:20.890
like a diamond under a halogen light. When you

01:23:20.890 --> 01:23:24.109
turn it, you see the facets. And that's why I

01:23:24.109 --> 01:23:26.090
went into this deep dive study of grace. And

01:23:26.090 --> 01:23:28.970
I realized that more often than not, grace is

01:23:28.970 --> 01:23:32.279
power. It's God's power. It's God's dunamis.

01:23:32.460 --> 01:23:35.180
We get the word dynamite from that. It's explosive

01:23:35.180 --> 01:23:37.279
in nature, and it's the power for working miracles.

01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:41.779
It says that in the early chapters of the book

01:23:41.779 --> 01:23:44.159
of Acts, it says that the disciples were working

01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.359
great miracles and signs and wonders. It says,

01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:50.180
and great grace was upon them all, not unmerited

01:23:50.180 --> 01:23:54.399
favor. Power, ability, authority. They were walking

01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.319
in the grace of God. Once I learned that definition

01:23:57.319 --> 01:23:59.739
and did that study, I never saw grace the same.

01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.460
Now when I use the word grace, it may be in a

01:24:02.460 --> 01:24:04.420
mixed crowd and they may be thinking one thing,

01:24:04.500 --> 01:24:07.359
but I'm thinking power. I'm thinking authority,

01:24:07.500 --> 01:24:11.460
our authority in Christ. Oh, grace is not soft.

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.579
Grace is what God's riches at Christ's expense.

01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:18.340
Which is great. There's a facet. There's a facet.

01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:23.550
That's good. It is true. And authority and ability.

01:24:23.989 --> 01:24:28.829
He enables us through grace. You look at Ephesians

01:24:28.829 --> 01:24:32.510
2, verse 8, classic. We are saved by grace through

01:24:32.510 --> 01:24:34.789
faith, right? Or by faith through grace. But

01:24:34.789 --> 01:24:37.529
it's by grace through faith. The only thing that

01:24:37.529 --> 01:24:39.670
can save and change a human heart is the power

01:24:39.670 --> 01:24:43.050
of God. The grace of God. Not unmerited favor.

01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:47.119
power of God. That's what changes the human heart.

01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.140
So, so I do want you to read that word different.

01:24:50.180 --> 01:24:53.180
Now, when you see that word in scripture, think

01:24:53.180 --> 01:24:55.420
of this other definition and it will begin to

01:24:55.420 --> 01:25:15.020
expand that one verse. Yes. Brother. You're required

01:25:15.020 --> 01:25:20.079
to do that. It's the same grace, the same power,

01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:23.079
the same dunamis that raised Jesus from the dead

01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:27.100
that works in us, it's scripture says. You have

01:25:27.100 --> 01:25:31.539
firsthand, brother. You're a Lazarus, brother.

01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:34.899
That's the power that helps you forgive the unforgivable.

01:25:35.239 --> 01:25:37.800
Absolutely. That's the power that helps you overcome

01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:46.000
the addiction. Absolutely. tempts us are the

01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:50.439
things that we love we love those things and

01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:53.220
that grace gives you in the flesh gives you the

01:25:53.220 --> 01:25:56.840
power yes to turn away from that yeah you know

01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.859
practically speaking yeah well the word ability

01:25:59.859 --> 01:26:04.260
also means to be enabled so it enables you to

01:26:04.260 --> 01:26:07.359
overcome to say no to sin to say no to unrighteousness

01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:10.619
and to say yes to godliness the scripture says

01:26:10.619 --> 01:26:14.930
and so now forgiveness is a supernatural work

01:26:14.930 --> 01:26:17.149
of the Holy Spirit. It's not something our flesh

01:26:17.149 --> 01:26:21.109
can do. When I hear humanists and psychologists

01:26:21.109 --> 01:26:23.630
and people, therapists, talking about forgiveness,

01:26:23.930 --> 01:26:27.470
it's at such an elemental level. True forgiveness

01:26:27.470 --> 01:26:32.680
means not only do I forgive my neighbor, On the

01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:35.539
surface, I also now begin to pray for them. And

01:26:35.539 --> 01:26:39.140
you move from contempt to compassion. Where that

01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:42.020
person you were so angry with and all your friends

01:26:42.020 --> 01:26:43.699
were telling you you're right to be so. Do you

01:26:43.699 --> 01:26:46.119
know that for every step you take away from the

01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:48.460
cross, you have 12 people patting you on the

01:26:48.460 --> 01:26:50.819
back saying you have a right to be mad. You have

01:26:50.819 --> 01:26:53.500
a right to feel that way. But when we turn back

01:26:53.500 --> 01:26:55.880
to the cross, I say, I don't have any rights.

01:26:56.340 --> 01:27:02.140
I died. Dead man has no rights. I died, and I've

01:27:02.140 --> 01:27:03.819
now been raised up and seated with Christ in

01:27:03.819 --> 01:27:06.279
heavenly places, so I don't have any rights.

01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.279
All I have is permission. All I have are privileges.

01:27:09.899 --> 01:27:13.260
No entitlements. Yes, Lord. Okay, I get to do

01:27:13.260 --> 01:27:18.119
this? Okay, we go. There it is. There it is.

01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:23.380
And we can let go. Release. The old let go and

01:27:23.380 --> 01:27:25.079
let God. I used to think that was a silly little

01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:28.479
cliche. Now I'm like, that is real. There is

01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:32.159
a letting go. That's called trust. And really,

01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:34.380
doesn't it all come back to that? And it's a

01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:37.180
spiritual daily discipline. Absolutely. For me.

01:27:37.420 --> 01:27:40.000
No, for all of us. For me. Everybody. It's a

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:43.760
daily. How many times have I said, Lord, it's

01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:46.359
yours already, but I'm letting go. Yes. I'm releasing

01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:49.079
it and acknowledging that this is under your

01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:51.420
control. First Thessalonians chapter five says

01:27:51.420 --> 01:27:55.539
this, it says, pray without ceasing. That is

01:27:55.539 --> 01:27:57.939
a mandate in the actual, it's an imperative in

01:27:57.939 --> 01:28:01.020
the language, which means it's a command. It's

01:28:01.020 --> 01:28:06.020
not an option. Pray without ceasing. And that

01:28:06.020 --> 01:28:09.460
is how we walk in that grace. That's how we live

01:28:09.460 --> 01:28:11.520
in it. So that when you're walking through the

01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:13.180
store and people are smiling at you and looking

01:28:13.180 --> 01:28:15.340
at you unusually, why? It's because there's something

01:28:15.340 --> 01:28:18.850
on you. You've put on Christ like a garment and

01:28:18.850 --> 01:28:21.350
you're walking in through H -E -B or Walmart

01:28:21.350 --> 01:28:24.310
or Publix. We had Publix in Tennessee. You're

01:28:24.310 --> 01:28:25.989
walking through the store in aisle four and people

01:28:25.989 --> 01:28:28.430
are just looking at you and smiling. Why? Because

01:28:28.430 --> 01:28:30.939
there's something different. You're attracted

01:28:30.939 --> 01:28:33.520
to it. Wow, we could go all day. We got a workout

01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:35.159
to get to, brother. We're going to go pump some

01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:37.659
iron. Well, listen, I want to thank our friends

01:28:37.659 --> 01:28:39.859
for staying with us. We went so long, we wore

01:28:39.859 --> 01:28:42.060
out our cameras. We lost batteries on two cameras,

01:28:42.140 --> 01:28:44.220
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01:28:44.220 --> 01:28:46.600
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01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.380
There's some folks donating to this project,

01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:04.100
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01:29:04.100 --> 01:29:06.640
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01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:08.720
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01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.770
We're here for you. That is... Mine and Annette's

01:29:21.770 --> 01:29:23.949
heart is to help you live up in a down world.

01:29:24.130 --> 01:29:26.010
And when I say down world, I'm not putting the

01:29:26.010 --> 01:29:28.149
world down. I'm simply recognizing that we live

01:29:28.149 --> 01:29:30.989
in a fallen world, according to God's word. And

01:29:30.989 --> 01:29:33.250
we get to live up in it and make a difference

01:29:33.250 --> 01:29:35.250
and be those points of light that you talked

01:29:35.250 --> 01:29:39.069
about, Steve, to be that life giver, to be salt

01:29:39.069 --> 01:29:42.340
and light in our world, speaking out. for the

01:29:42.340 --> 01:29:44.479
things of God. So thank you so much for joining

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01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:50.279
this all day long with you two. Iron sharpens

01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:52.960
iron. We did it. We did it. We get to do it again

01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:56.840
twice tomorrow. Iron sharpens iron. So as iron

01:29:56.840 --> 01:29:58.979
sharpens iron, the countenance of one friend

01:29:58.979 --> 01:30:01.460
sharpens another. And when we get together, so

01:30:01.460 --> 01:30:02.439
what you were talking about in the hospital.

01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.399
We just sharpen one another. So again, thank

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01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.420
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01:30:23.420 --> 01:30:27.460
on purpose. All right, I'm going to stop there.

01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:30.600
I'll let you do the tag on. Yeah, that'd be easier

01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.680
than just trying to hit a cue. Oh, gosh.