"Pro Tip: Nobody's Perfect"

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This is Jimmy Internet and we are living up in a down world.

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We are coming to you this morning, barely morning, actually it's literally afternoon,

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about two minutes.

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We are coming to you live and in person and in my pajamas.

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This is Monday, usually on Monday we take our Sabbath.

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Sometimes we don't even make the bed on Mondays.

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I said that out loud.

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Our kids are going to fall over if they hear this.

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Nobody should be coming over.

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It's a Sabbath.

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It's a Sabbath.

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We're supposed to rest.

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It's a rest day, it's a recovery day because Sundays are always crazy, amazing, brutal.

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Yesterday was really long.

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But it was good because we had two services and then we had an event.

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Membership class.

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Yeah, membership class right after the service.

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So that's just like you're on from the second you get there.

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And then the night before we went out with a bunch of people.

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What were we thinking?

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What were we thinking?

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Why did I say yes to that?

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It was actually a lot of fun.

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It was.

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But Saturday nights are really hard for us.

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We didn't get, because there were storms in the area too and we were dodging those.

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The best was driving back.

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It took us, I guess we didn't get to bed until after midnight.

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Which is a big no-no for us on Saturday night.

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On a Saturday night when you have to get up at what time.

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We're not exactly party animals.

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So we had a great time.

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Great people though.

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And you know, it was such a reminder that we get to do life with people.

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That's what living up in a down world is all about.

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It's finding the good in everything and saying, wow, this is a great moment.

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I need to capture that in my mind.

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I took some pictures while we were there.

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But just the people that we were with, they all attend our church.

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There were 16 of us total.

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16 of us.

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Which is amazing that you can get 16 people to commit to an evening out.

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No kidding.

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And they were fun.

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This is a fun group of people that, they're life lovers.

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Most of them are on the edge of retirement or semi-retired.

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And they're just, they're in this really good place in life.

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And they meet together a lot as a group.

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Like a connect group.

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They have a group of other people that they meet with.

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Just to talk about the Bible.

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Do life together.

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Have fun together.

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And so they invited us into their world.

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And we just had such a great time.

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In the middle of that, I had a moment where it was really loud.

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We were in this restaurant out in Utopia, Texas.

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Which is really cool.

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Seven days of Utopia.

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Seven days in Utopia.

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Yes, that's where the movie was filmed.

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Was in that town.

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In that little town with Robert Duvall.

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But it's a neat place.

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And it's a beautiful part of the Hill Country.

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And that's where we live in the middle of the Hill Country.

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It's about an hour and a half, near a two hour drive over there.

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But it's so beautiful.

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And it's this restaurant.

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And this lady is a chef who's trained in Paris and all these high places.

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And she makes amazing food.

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Farm to table type stuff.

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The whole place is beautiful.

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You drive up and you're like, oh wow.

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This is paradise.

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And so we had a great time.

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We all went together.

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We rented a bus.

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It was like a big limousine.

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Because you didn't just sit.

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You faced each other when you were sitting.

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Right, right.

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So you could talk the whole way and engage.

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We offered drinks and snacks.

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It was great.

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It was really neat.

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It was neat.

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What a great way to go out with a bunch of friends.

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And so anyway, we did that.

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And in the middle of all that, I had a moment where I'm sitting there.

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I've been having these engaging conversations.

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It's loud.

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It's raucous.

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Because it's just good people having a good time.

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And I just had that moment.

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Jesus would literally, if He was here in the flesh in person,

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He would literally be in the middle of this.

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He sure would.

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He would be enjoying this.

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It reminded me of how Jewish people do life together.

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They wine and dine.

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They have fun.

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They're jovial.

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They're loud.

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They are loud.

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You think they're always mad at each other the way they talk to each other.

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That's just their nature.

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That's their nature.

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That Eastern way.

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And I just had that moment.

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And of course, as I was thinking, and I said, but you are here.

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You're literally here in the middle of all this.

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But if you were alive and in person, He would have been right in the middle of that.

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Right.

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And Tina and Adam joined us as well.

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And of course, we're all talking to Adam.

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And he's telling lots of amazing stories, as he always does.

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That brother is fascinating.

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He is.

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And by the end of the evening, he literally had very little voice.

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And I was worried for him.

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Which is not good for the pod father to lose his voice.

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No, that's how he makes a living, much like you.

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We both make a living with our mouths.

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So I was worried because the next day he's doing his No Agenda podcast.

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Huge podcast.

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Three hours long of just talking.

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And I was worried for him.

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I was too.

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I was praying for him.

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And I was concerned for him.

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I reached out to him after the show.

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And he had pressed through.

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I was OK.

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I haven't listened.

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I want to hear it.

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I want to pull it up to see what his voice sounds like.

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But speaking of Adam and Tina Curry, just one quick boost to our friends.

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He is the pod father.

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He invented podcasting 18, 19 years ago with another guy.

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And he's the reason why anybody has a podcast.

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Millions of people have podcasts now.

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Because of him.

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And it's because he had a dream.

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He had a vision of what it could be to make a platform where people could have a voice.

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And what I love about Adam is he continues to dream.

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And he has more dreams that he's releasing to us little by little.

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And it's interesting.

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I'm really excited to see what God's going to do with him.

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Because his dreams are changing.

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I saw the eye of the tiger when he was telling us about it.

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I'm like something's going to happen.

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Because he's got to fix on something.

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And he really feels the Lord's leading him in this.

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And man, I'm excited to be on the journey with him and see how that goes.

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But I want to encourage you to check out their podcast, Curry and the Keeper.

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They've been going over a year with that podcast.

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And they're so delightful.

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They're such amazing people to use Tina's word.

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They're lovely people.

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She uses that a lot.

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I think that is beautiful.

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They're lovely.

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I do too.

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I don't think I've ever met anybody that used that word to describe people.

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I've kind of absorbed it in my vocabulary too.

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Tina and I, we spend so much time together that I'm taking some of her vocabulary.

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Because it's so beautiful.

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It really is.

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I have an Adam taking one of your anettisms.

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He said, that's so funny.

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You're so funny.

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Which is what I've said for 30 years.

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The virus has hit.

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We're all starting to settle in.

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That's what happens when you spend a lot of time together.

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And by the way, last week we got to attend the Mercy Me concert.

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That was a great segue, by the way.

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Very smooth.

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You're like a pro.

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I'm learning from the best, Adam Curry and Tina.

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You're looking at me, but you said Adam's name.

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Tina is who I'm really listening to and trying to take notes on how she does it.

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Let's talk about what happened last Sunday.

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We talked a little bit leading up to it in the last show about how Michael Schusner,

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I cannot pronounce his last name.

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I'm sure he'll text you when he hears this.

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He'll be listening to this.

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Michael, he's one of the guitar players, Barry's the other guitar player.

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Michael reached out to me in regards to Adam Curry.

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I won't go into the detail of that.

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But it ended up being they invited us to their concert in San Antonio at the Boeing Tech Center,

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which is a new venue, very cool venue.

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And Micah Tyler was fronting them and Taya, who is from Hillsong.

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She's the one who sings Oceans, so she's known by that.

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So they were the front bands and they did a fabulous job.

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It was really good.

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But there was a whole other level when Mercy Me came on the stage of production

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and sound and sights and Spirit, Holy Spirit was in that place.

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So I'd been in contact with Michael.

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We arranged it.

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As soon as we were done with, we had to wait on Adam because he was doing the No Agenda podcast.

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And he had to finish at five and then we had to get on the road.

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Because it started at seven and they wanted us there early enough so they could visit with us.

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We're going to just hang out backstage, meet some guys.

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I think we got there at 6.20, something like that.

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Worked out perfect though.

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And we're sitting there trying to get in the back parking lot where the buses are parked.

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And security's like, no, no, no.

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I don't see your name on here.

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And we're like, dude, we're with the band.

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Did you feel special?

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I did when Michael came and got us.

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He walked out and saw us.

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And he said, no, no, let them in.

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And it wasn't because he's like, let Adam in.

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Totally about Adam.

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I know that.

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I have no problems with that.

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We were just along for the ride.

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But it was such a sweet ride.

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So anyway, him and then Nathan, the bass player, came out.

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And then Barry, the other guitar player, came out.

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And they're big time fans of Adam and John DeVorek.

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Michael had a t-shirt on that he made.

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He had a t-shirt made, a merch t-shirt that had a Kareem DeVorek.

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He said consulting company or something.

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It was hilarious.

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So hilarious.

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He wore it through the concert.

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He did.

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It was great.

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We got some great pictures of that.

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So we just hang out with those guys and got to know them and had great conversations.

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I have to tell you about Mercy.

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I got to brag on these guys.

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Before I brag on their music, I got to brag on them.

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Those guys, they're the real deal.

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They are genuine.

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They really are.

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They're down to earth.

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They are unpretentious.

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They do not have the superstar.

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They're one of the biggest bands in Christian music.

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They had so much humility.

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Oh, they're just great guys.

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They weren't like I had thought in my head could happen.

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I didn't think they'd be that way.

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I really didn't.

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We lived in Nashville.

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We've been around a lot of that.

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But I've seen some.

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But I didn't know.

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I never saw that on them.

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It was really, they were beautiful.

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I mean, it was just amazing.

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They were.

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It was amazing.

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We got to meet Scott Brickell.

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Scott Brickell, if you ever saw the movie, I can only imagine.

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And if you haven't, see that movie.

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It's about Bartmiller, the lead singer's life in the band and how they got started.

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And it's a compelling story.

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It's a beautifully made movie.

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Great soundtrack.

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It is so well done.

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And Scott Brickell is the Nashville manager that found them and discovered them.

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And Trey Atkins played him.

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Trace Atkins.

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I can see why Trace Atkins played him.

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I can too.

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Scott looks like Trace Atkins.

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I was dumbfounded when I saw him.

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He's got the big ponytail.

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He's got the look.

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But he's the nicest guy.

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Intimidating look.

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Is he so big?

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He's just a bit, well, I'm five.

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Oh, right, right.

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Almost five-three.

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So yeah, I was pretty intimidated by his look.

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But he's been with them for 30 years.

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30 years.

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He was with them from the beginning.

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He's still with them.

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And just so cool to see how he, as a handler, was around.

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And we got to be backstage before the concert.

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Then Michael walked us out to our seats.

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Then Michael's son.

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Took us.

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Such a sweet kid.

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Took Tina and I and Adam to go pick out any merchandise we wanted.

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Get as much as you want.

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He said we couldn't do that.

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So while I'm waiting on y'all, the road manager, Daniel, comes out.

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You've got to meet Daniel.

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Daniel, the road manager, he is such a heart for God.

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He's such a humble guy.

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Please, please connect with him.

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And he connected with you.

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Yeah.

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And so while you guys were out getting merch, I was sitting there

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waiting for the next show to come on and just had the most beautiful visit with Daniel

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about grace, about the message and life of grace

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and understanding the new covenant life that Jesus talks about.

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That most of us don't have a clue what Jesus really did for us.

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No.

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How much the highest price bought the highest thing is our freedom.

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Not religion, but freedom and relationship.

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So Daniel and I going back and forth, it's like we're brothers from another mother moment

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where it's like, we've got to get time together somehow, so we're going to figure that out.

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But anyway, then the show came on.

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Oh my gosh, they just killed it with the production.

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The production factor is so high.

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My favorite was them sitting around.

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Was it a fake fire or was it?

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Yeah, honey, they're in a venue.

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There's a fire ring that looked real.

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It was a little far away from me because of my contacts.

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They're sitting on little benches and they're doing a total acoustic moment.

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That was my favorite part of the whole concert.

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So the whole time, what was neat was to see 3,500.

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It was a sellout.

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Which they could have gone to a lot bigger venue.

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And Michael told me later that the San Antonio crowd was one of the best crowds on the tour.

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Just the energy, the engagement.

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I got goosebumps talking about it because I get emotional talking about it

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because when I see 3,500 people worshiping God together,

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there is something that is special about that and powerful.

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And boy, I didn't expect it to be a worship concert.

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Well, I did a little bit because of them.

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But there really was an element of worship.

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And Bart Millard is such a great front guy because he's just very relaxed.

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He's very comfortable in his skin.

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He understands grace.

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Almost every song they write now is about grace and the power of grace.

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Explain grace.

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Grace is...so my professor, one of my favorite professors, Dr. Frankie Rainey,

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said grace is, and he used an acronym, God's riches at Christ's expense.

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So that Jesus paid the highest price for the greatest riches.

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What does that mean for us?

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It means this.

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Grace is God's power.

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It's God's strength.

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It's God's ability.

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It's God's authority.

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And God's favor.

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And God's favor on our lives.

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It's not just unmerited favor, although it is, but if you ask most people,

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what is grace?

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Oh, that's God's unmerited favor.

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We'll define that.

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You get a blank stare.

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I don't know what that is, right.

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Because they've just heard that over and over.

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It's part of our Christianese that we have.

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But it really means you've got authority, power, favor, enablement.

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If it's just unmerited favor, Jesus didn't need unmerited favor.

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He was sinless.

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But what he did need was power.

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And grace is power.

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It says that when the apostles were working miracles, it says,

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and great grace was upon them.

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That's not unmerited favor.

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It's actually an empowerment for miracles.

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So grace is a whole lot more.

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We have the empowerment to not sin.

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I mean, we sin, obviously.

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But I love what you said, and I've been with you 30 years,

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so I've heard this, that we're not sinners.

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We're saints who occasionally sin.

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Absolutely.

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And the thing is, is that we have the power to overcome that

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through the Holy Spirit.

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That is what grace is.

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It's the power to overcome sin.

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It doesn't have to rule and reign in our life.

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We literally can get above that.

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The Bible says that sin shall no longer be your master.

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Exactly.

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And that's what grace does.

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And so the message of grace, it's almost like, man,

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I don't want to say it and sound weird,

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but it's almost like being born again, again.

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Because you do, you receive Christ, you get saved.

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Depending on what kind of church you're in

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and the theological stream they are,

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sometimes we can get saved by grace through faith,

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Ephesians 2-10, but then we end up in legalism

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and rule following.

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Exactly.

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And I grew up, because I'm a rule follower,

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and everything is used to...

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Well, everything used to be so black and white,

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and I had to do everything exactly like it was said.

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So even when I came to Christ, it was like,

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okay, God said we can't do this, we can't do this.

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But I was living an Old Testament Christian life.

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Right, right.

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Not realizing...

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Old covenant.

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Yes.

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That's called.

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Yes.

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And so not realizing that what Jesus had actually done,

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because I was always, oh Lord, please forgive me,

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because I let you down.

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I messed up again.

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And yes, we do need to own up to when we're not up to par

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where we should be, obviously.

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But I wasn't living up in a down world,

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I was living down in a down world.

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Which is brutal.

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Because I was constantly...

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It's like, why do we even need to be saved

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if that's what it's about?

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Exactly.

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Where it's just, you're dragging your faith

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and your Christianity around like a ball and chain.

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Well, I was trying to please Him,

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because I always wanted to please my family

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that I grew up in.

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So here's another way to say that.

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You learned performance.

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You were performing.

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I was performing.

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You were trying to score brownie points.

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Instead of just resting in His love for me no matter what,

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and living my life out of gratitude for what He's done.

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What a difference.

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Man, to live a grateful life, that's living up in a down world.

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It is.

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When you're grateful, and when you can find in any situation,

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which is a high valley, I mean a high mountain or a low valley,

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you can find good.

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You can see the good in it.

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You can see the gold in the hills.

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Which brings me to your message yesterday.

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You started a new series called No Perfect People Allowed.

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Which, you know, you've been saying this for seven years in our church.

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And we have an invisible sign.

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We always ask people, what does it say?

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And I love when they repeat back.

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I wish they would wait to put that on the screen so that...

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I know, they did a cheat sheet.

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Yeah, it's like, alright, come on.

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Because I have this thing I do where I go, alright everyone,

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what does that sign say on the wall over there?

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Of course there's no sign over there, but we've done this so long.

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And everyone yells out, No Perfect People Allowed.

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And so that's how we kicked off the series, just saying,

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that's what this is about.

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I really feel God's grace and favor on this series.

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I had planned to do this a while back,

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and then I noticed that Pastor Robert Morris at Gateway Church

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was doing a series called Divinely Human,

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which is basically the same thing.

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It's the same thing.

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We're both divine.

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We have the Elohim element in us, the image of God.

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But we also are human.

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So we have both, and we are partakers, or part-takers.

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We take part of it, because right now we see in part, prophesy in part, all that.

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But there will be a day when we will be known, and we will fully know.

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It's going to be glorious.

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And that's all about the heaven piece that we talked about.

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So if you're listening today, first of all, welcome to the broadcast.

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We're so glad you're here.

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Our heart for you, and the only reason we're doing this,

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is because we want to encourage you, whoever you may be.

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This may be the first time you've ever listened to us,

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and you're going, Oh, they're going down the Jesus thing.

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Yeah, we are. That's who we are. And we're going to be who we are.

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That's who we live our life for.

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I want to encourage you, if you have not ever engaged Christianity,

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to even look at it, because you might have had a bad experience.

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Because sometimes Christians can be knuckleheads.

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Really?

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Just say it like it is. We can be dorks, where people get hurt.

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But that's the divinely human piece.

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No perfect people allowed.

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And I want to help you understand, if you ever meet anyone who's a Christian,

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and they're coming off as perfect, just know they're not telling the truth.

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We all struggle. Right now we see in part, we know in part.

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Run, forest, run.

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I love that. Jenny. But anyway, I love that movie.

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So I started down that track yesterday.

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And I love how you started it with your story.

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I told the story of my divorce, again, which I've told several times.

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I didn't get into all the details.

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But I had to have my own grace awakening.

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Yes, you did.

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Because when you're standing there, when you're in your last two semesters

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of your graduate degree, your seminary degree,

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you're already on staff at a church, you just got promoted to full-time,

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and it looks like things are going really good.

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And then the bottom drops out.

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Literally everything falls off.

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That is life. It never drops out at the right time. Hello.

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Yeah, it was not convenient. It was not a good time.

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You could have waited a year and a half.

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Not even a year and a half, another year I would have finished right then.

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So I ended up having to go back to my campus,

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and I call it the Walk of Shame,

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where I had to go to all my professors and say,

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I don't know if I can stay. My wife just left me.

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Did they encourage you to stay, or did they say,

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you need to do what you need to do?

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No, they were great.

515
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Every one of them were so kind and so gracious.

516
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000
And they referred me to a counseling program there at the school.

517
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,000
They have a huge counseling department there at Southwestern Seminary in Fort Worth.

518
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000
And they said, look, you get free counseling. Go over.

519
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000
And I went over there, and they got me right in,

520
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000
and I sat down with a guy, and man, he just walked me through some basic things

521
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000
and gave me some perspective.

522
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000
And it was great, and it was gracious.

523
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000
And what you didn't tell the church, which, you know, we have a lot of new people.

524
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000
Right.

525
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,000
But we'll say it here, is your church did a vote.

526
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,000
What happens in the Baptist church? The elders do a vote.

527
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000
It wasn't the elders, it was the whole church.

528
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000
The whole church, sorry.

529
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000
It's called a vote of confidence. They call it a special meeting.

530
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000
I didn't know it was a whole church.

531
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000
It has to be like the Salem witch trials.

532
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,000
Oh my gosh.

533
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,000
Burn witch, burn witch. That's how you feel.

534
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
But they do a vote of confidence.

535
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000
A vote of confidence. Gosh, can you imagine getting a no?

536
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Just to let you know, if you're going to get to stay as a pastor,

537
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000
or if you're out because you're going through the...

538
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000
It was brutal. I almost quit before they did that,

539
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,000
because I thought, I can't take another humiliation, another rejection.

540
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000
No.

541
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000
Because already, it was like...

542
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000
I can't even imagine.

543
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
I felt like I had the scarlet letter on my head already.

544
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000
Here I am a pastor.

545
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000
And the ministry was fruitful. Our student ministry had exploded.

546
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000
You did have some deacons in the church.

547
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000
You had mentioned that...

548
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
Deacons, yeah. They weren't elders. They were deacons.

549
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
They were very...

550
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000
They were a little bit mean, I'll just put it that way.

551
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000
They didn't care for you that much.

552
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000
But I have to be honest, I was pretty edgy.

553
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
Well, you are a little edgy.

554
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Yeah, well, I wasn't raised in church.

555
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000
So I didn't know all the right things to say and do.

556
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000
So here I am, this young youth minister.

557
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000
But let me just say, the youth ministry was thriving.

558
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000
Things were going great.

559
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,000
And then when the wheels fell off,

560
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,000
I thought, these guys are going to crucify me, these deacons.

561
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000
And they didn't.

562
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000
And they didn't.

563
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
They showed me grace.

564
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,000
And they said, we want you to stay.

565
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000
The whole church voted for you to stay.

566
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000
They did.

567
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
But you said, I can't.

568
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
I thanked them that night.

569
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000
I went back to where I was staying.

570
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
I'm glad you didn't, because you wouldn't have moved to Lubbock

571
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
and we would not have met.

572
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
No, it all worked out.

573
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000
God, it all works together for good, right?

574
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
So I prayed for that week.

575
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
I met with my pastor, who was wonderful,

576
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000
Pastor Don Longoria, if you ever hear this.

577
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000
You're still friends with him.

578
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Just know I love you.

579
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,000
And we'll never forget how you showed grace to me as a young man

580
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,000
and as a friend.

581
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000
You were gracious to me, and you were gracious to my ex-wife, too.

582
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
You did the right thing in everything.

583
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000
And so thank you.

584
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,000
If you ever hear this, I love you and appreciate you and value you.

585
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,000
So the next week, I really felt like I don't think I can stay and heal.

586
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
I had been there for four years.

587
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
So her and I had so many friends in the church.

588
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
It's a small, small town.

589
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Yeah, small town.

590
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Everybody knows you.

591
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000
It would not have been a great deal.

592
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,000
I think it would have prolonged my healing,

593
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000
and I needed to get on the road to recovery.

594
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,000
Yes, because God needed to you to meet me at the end of that year.

595
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000
That's exactly right.

596
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000
The next Sunday, I got up, and I tendered my resignation and just wept.

597
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000
How was the church?

598
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000
What was the response of the church when you did that?

599
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Oh, family.

600
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,000
It was like somebody being deployed overseas

601
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000
and not knowing if you'll ever see them again.

602
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,000
It was just hugs and love, and they were just gracious and beautiful, lots of tears.

603
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
That was hard.

604
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Wow.

605
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,000
That was hard.

606
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
I actually thought I would be there a long time.

607
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
I fell in love with our little community.

608
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
You talked about it to me for years.

609
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000
I've never aspired for big stuff.

610
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
I'm just not that guy.

611
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,000
No, you never have.

612
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000
I'm not ambitious.

613
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
So I've never chased big things.

614
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
I've just chased God things.

615
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
And if it's in a smaller town, a smaller church, I'm great with that.

616
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
I just want to be in the center of God's will.

617
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000
No matter where it is.

618
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
Not in building my kingdom or build His.

619
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000
And God's been so gracious through the years.

620
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000
So here we are, and then we meet after that.

621
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
So I want to move away from that.

622
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000
So I told that story, just not all the details, but I told that story.

623
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,000
And when you went to that Bible?

624
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
So yeah, here's, let me land the plane on this story.

625
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,000
So I go to the Baptist bookstore, which is called Lifeway there

626
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
on the edge of the seminary campus.

627
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,000
I walk in the store, there's thousands of books in the store, thousands.

628
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,000
And it's where you did all your books, buying for classes, and then everything else.

629
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
So it's a full large store.

630
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,000
I walk in and I'm thinking, I need to find a book.

631
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
But I had no idea what.

632
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000
I didn't talk to anybody.

633
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Nobody had given you any indication?

634
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:25,000
I just walked in and I looked at one of the first shelves or ranks of books I came to.

635
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000
There was a book, however, once in a while you walk in, people have pulled them out

636
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000
and they don't put them back in, they just set them there.

637
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000
There was one sitting there facing me on the bottom shelf too.

638
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
And I just walked in and noticed it.

639
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,000
And it was a book by Chuck Swindoll called The Grace Awakening.

640
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
And when I read that book, it set me free.

641
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000
It changed your life.

642
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000
It changed my life.

643
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000
So you were talking about grace long before others.

644
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000
Oh, I was a grace guy long before grace was turned into a cool…

645
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,000
But you were a…there are some grace messages, I just have to say this,

646
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,000
that have gone way too far and they don't have grace for people who don't.

647
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Yeah, sometimes grace people can be ungracious.

648
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,000
They can.

649
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
And so you've never been there.

650
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,000
You've always been gracious towards everyone and yourself even.

651
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:21,000
And so you have a different message, I think, than most of the grace messages we've heard.

652
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000
I appreciate that.

653
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:30,000
I think partly because I didn't get the grace message through a teaching or through theory.

654
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Exactly.

655
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000
That's the difference.

656
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000
I had to live it.

657
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
I had to grab hold of the hymn of Jesus' Karmic.

658
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000
And you had to dig into the Word about what the Word says.

659
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000
What does the Bible say?

660
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Yeah, exactly.

661
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:48,000
It's just like when you lead communion and you talk about this is the new covenant.

662
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000
That's what Paul said when Jesus was given out the wine.

663
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000
He said, this is my blood of the new covenant.

664
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Oh, there it is.

665
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000
That's it.

666
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,000
That one little phrase changed everything.

667
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,000
And we as Americans and Westerners, we don't see that because we don't have a history of law

668
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,000
and the sense of having to live under the 613 rules and all that of the Old Testament, the Old Covenant.

669
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
So we don't have that perspective.

670
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,000
But to a Jewish person, for someone to say the new covenant, they're going, what new covenant?

671
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
There's only one covenant.

672
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Well, actually, there was multiple covenants.

673
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Noah's covenant, Moses, Abraham.

674
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:33,000
There were covenants, but there was the primary covenant, the Levitical, where all the Levitical writings came out of.

675
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000
And the laws came out.

676
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000
That's the law.

677
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000
And they talk about the covenant. That's what they're talking about.

678
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:47,000
And for that Jewish person to be introduced to a new covenant, I have to believe that the table, the atmosphere,

679
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
the barometric pressure probably changed in that room.

680
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Changed, because they're like, what?

681
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000
We've never heard of anything like this.

682
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Wait, about that new covenant. You know they were like, what?

683
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000
And that new covenant meaning Jesus died once for all.

684
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,000
We don't have to go slay an animal.

685
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000
We don't have to.

686
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
No more blood has to be spilled.

687
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Sorry, my phone's going off.

688
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000
So that's like, what?

689
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Now, we don't understand that, because we didn't grow up that way.

690
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,000
We didn't grow up in a Jewish or Eastern culture, so we don't even have a concept of covenants.

691
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
We're all about contracts, which are easily broken.

692
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
In fact, contracts are almost made to be broken.

693
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
You know, we always look for the loopholes.

694
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
So that's our culture.

695
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000
We don't understand the power of covenant.

696
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
But as you grow in Christ, hopefully you learn.

697
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000
You study.

698
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,000
That's why we're supposed to study, to show ourselves approved unto God, the Scripture says.

699
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,000
And so as we study and learn, we find that, oh my gosh,

700
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000
what Jesus was talking about was a game changer.

701
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000
It's massive.

702
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,000
It means I no longer have to labor under the rules and regulations.

703
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,000
I'm free to live.

704
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000
That's the whole point of the new covenant, is free to live.

705
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Again, some people take that to where I can do whatever I want.

706
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Well, why would you want to do something that's not good for you or pleasing to God?

707
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000
Why?

708
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Exactly. It's called a relationship.

709
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Because same thing.

710
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:16,000
I would never want to do anything that's unpleasing to you or that's going to hurt your and my relationship.

711
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
We would never do that intentionally.

712
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
We may do that accidentally, because life happens.

713
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
Right.

714
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
We say we're not perfect.

715
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Caught in a moment.

716
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Right. Exactly.

717
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000
No perfect people allowed.

718
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:31,000
So what happens is that people labor under the law, and then you find grace.

719
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000
And that's what the whole point of grace is, is to realize that whom the Son sets free,

720
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,000
the scripture says in John 8.36, is free indeed.

721
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Free. I mean, you are free to live.

722
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Jesus said this in John 10.

723
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000
The thief comes only except to steal, kill, and destroy.

724
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,000
And then Jesus says this, but I came that you that might have life

725
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
and have it to the full.

726
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000
More abundantly.

727
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
More abundantly. Over the top is what it means.

728
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000
And so Jesus, that's why Jesus came.

729
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000
So we could live, like we could do, go to a concert with MercyMe,

730
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,000
and just dance and praise and shout and sweat and have fun and meet people.

731
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
God was meeting people all around us.

732
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,000
And meet, that's life to the full.

733
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,000
It's going out with a group of 16 people in a big limousine bus

734
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:27,000
to eat at this amazing place and have great food, great fun,

735
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
great fellowship, great drink, great everything,

736
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
because we were sharing life.

737
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
And that's what Jesus died for.

738
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,000
And to think that God, who is a good Father, would look down on us

739
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:48,000
and want us to live horrible lives or want us to be depressed and hopeless.

740
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
No, the whole point is life to the full,

741
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000
which means sometimes you have to find that life in a down world.

742
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
And that's why we name this, living up in a down world.

743
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
You really do have to find it.

744
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Based on John 10, 10 basically, that He came to give us life.

745
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000
And I'm a champion for it.

746
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Our worship pastor, I love Pastor Russ.

747
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Russ Hearn and Wendy are the most precious people.

748
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000
They really are.

749
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000
He says, Jimmy, you're a missionary to the church.

750
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000
He said, I feel like God's called you to awaken the church

751
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
to the life that they're missing.

752
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
They may be saved, they may be Christians,

753
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
they may attend church and do all the churchy things,

754
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
but they still haven't found life in it.

755
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000
You're here to introduce them to life.

756
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
And so, yeah, I'm a positive guy.

757
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
I don't just see the bucket half full.

758
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000
I see it overflowing.

759
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Because I've lost everything.

760
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
I know what it's like to be without.

761
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,000
I know what it's like to go through the valley of the shadow.

762
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000
And you didn't lose everything because you did something wrong.

763
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000
You lost everything because you did a lot of right things.

764
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000
But this is what happens in a fallen world.

765
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000
I mean, we have challenges that come up.

766
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
And for you listening, I mean, every time,

767
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
let me just put it this way, I'll be crass.

768
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Every time crap happens, you have a choice to make.

769
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Am I going to let this take me down,

770
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
or am I going to find the good in it?

771
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Because there's always good in it.

772
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
There's always hope.

773
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
You lose your hope, you've lost everything.

774
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
And so that's one thing I never let go of.

775
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,000
There's always something to learn in every challenge that we go through.

776
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Absolutely.

777
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
And I think God allows us.

778
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
He allows things because we live in a fallen world.

779
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
So crap's going to happen.

780
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Maybe we learn how to forgive one another.

781
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000
We learn how to love one another better.

782
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Even when we've been wronged.

783
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
You know what I'm saying?

784
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000
It's not about getting revenge on someone.

785
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,000
It's about God, okay, I was wronged by these people.

786
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
So how do I handle this?

787
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
And what can I learn from it?

788
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,000
What can I learn so that I can help others who get damaged by other people

789
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
be able to walk this out?

790
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
We ask the question, how can I live a higher life?

791
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Okay, there's only one road, right?

792
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Everybody says, well, there's a high road and a low road.

793
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000
I believe there's only one.

794
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000
It's the high road.

795
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
And it hurts sometimes to take the high road because that means you can't take revenge.

796
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000
You can't go seek validation for yourself.

797
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Because the first thing we do when we get hurt, we go rally friends.

798
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000
And we want people to tell you, I'm okay.

799
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
You're okay.

800
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
You didn't do anything wrong.

801
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
We do that.

802
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000
That's human nature is to rally people for validation.

803
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000
But when you take the high road, you have to say, I choose to live above it.

804
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,000
My reputation gets tarnished because I didn't throw somebody under the bus.

805
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
We had that happen to us in church.

806
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
We had some people leave.

807
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
And people that have been in the church a long time said,

808
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
why didn't you announce to the whole church?

809
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
No, why would we do that?

810
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
What really happened?

811
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
It's none of their business.

812
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000
First of all, I'm not going to put anybody down who's left our church,

813
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
whether they were mad or not.

814
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
To me, I look at the bigger picture,

815
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000
and that's living up in a down world from a higher perch.

816
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000
I grew up two blocks from Texas Tech University in Lubbock.

817
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,000
And they had their big band field out up against 19th Street.

818
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
And so we drove by it all the time.

819
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
And they had this big tower, like an eagle's nest,

820
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,000
where the band director, he was up in this massive tower

821
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,000
so he could look down onto the field and direct the team, which is the band.

822
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
He could direct the team.

823
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
And he had a microphone up there.

824
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Because he's up there, he can see the whole picture.

825
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
He had a better view. He had a better perspective.

826
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000
And so I've chosen, and it's a hard choice sometimes,

827
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
because I want to validate, too.

828
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
I want people to tell me I'm okay.

829
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,000
I don't want to be blamed or get thrown under the bus

830
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000
and then not be able to throw somebody back under the bus.

831
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
But the higher road dictates.

832
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
That's not the way you live a Christian life.

833
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
The higher road dictates you just eat it and keep moving forward.

834
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000
You said you love your enemies. You pray for your enemies.

835
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
It doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.

836
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,000
I've shared things with friends of mine, especially Tina,

837
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000
that out of my hurt, but not to put people down,

838
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,000
but to say, this is hurt.

839
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
This is my hurt that I'm having to deal with

840
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000
because it's a challenge in my life that we have to deal with.

841
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
It's painful.

842
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
I refuse to let it pull me all the way down.

843
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000
I can't live that way.

844
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000
So what you do and what we've had to do is we've had to set boundaries

845
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000
around our lives because we both live very open lives.

846
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Well, we're in a fishbowl because we're pastors.

847
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
We are. That's in so of our kids.

848
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
And so we've just had to live that way.

849
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
So we've never been real self-protective oriented.

850
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
I told about my divorce in church on Sunday,

851
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
and I had a guy reach out to me yesterday

852
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
and wants to meet and talk to me about it

853
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000
because he was raised in a different kind of church.

854
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Can you be a pastor when you're divorced?

855
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
He wasn't mean-spirited about it.

856
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
He just wants to visit with you.

857
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
I felt myself going, ah, here I was.

858
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
I put myself out there to the whole church,

859
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
and then I feel like I kind of got a...

860
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
But I don't think it's that.

861
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
He's a good guy, and I'm not worried.

862
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
He just came out of a very conservative church background.

863
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
He wants to talk about it.

864
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
So I'll talk to him about it.

865
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
I will. I will. We'll open that up.

866
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
But anyway, for you listening,

867
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
first of all, our heart is so for you.

868
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
I know I say it over and over.

869
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
I'm a broken record on this,

870
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
but it is true because we want you to find joy in the journey.

871
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
We want you to live up in a down world,

872
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000
and we want to help you.

873
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
I really appreciate it.

874
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
I've had some folks write in this last week,

875
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
and I've written back to them,

876
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
and it's so good to hear from you.

877
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Go to our website.

878
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Downworld.com.

879
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
How easy is that?

880
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
LivingUpInADownWorld.com.

881
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
I put my daily devotionals.

882
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
I write a devotional every morning.

883
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
I've done this for nearly 20 years now.

884
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Maybe it is 20 years.

885
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
I keep saying 18 years, four years ago.

886
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Over 20 years, I have written a devotional every morning,

887
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
and I post it every morning on social media,

888
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

889
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
and then I put it on our website,

890
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
LivingUpInADownWorld.com.

891
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
It's under blog.

892
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Just click on blog, and you'll get it every day.

893
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Also, all of our podcasts on there.

894
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
By the way, this is podcast number 16.

895
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Wow.

896
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
It just time flies when you're having fun, right?

897
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
It sure does.

898
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
It is weird to think we've done 16 of these.

899
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
I know.

900
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
How much I've fought you for the first five.

901
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
You were sick.

902
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
You didn't feel good.

903
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
By the way, you're gorgeous.

904
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
You're so sweet.

905
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
I didn't even introduce Chevy today.

906
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Chevy's with us.

907
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
He gets so excited.

908
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
We sit down to do the podcast.

909
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
He's like, oh my God.

910
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
We were going to do it yesterday, and you were getting everything ready.

911
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
He was like a little kid in a candy store waiting.

912
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
He was so excited.

913
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Then I fell asleep.

914
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
We were so tired.

915
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
I was like, I'm sorry, I just need a little cat nap.

916
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
It turned into a long cat nap.

917
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Then you said, let's just do it tomorrow.

918
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000
I appreciate that.

919
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000
I am going to go walk four miles in just a minute.

920
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
You go, girl. You're on fire.

921
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
I've got to go get dressed.

922
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
You take off. I'm going to land the plane on the show.

923
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
I do want to say something to our listeners and thank them.

924
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
I want to thank you for listening.

925
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
I want to thank you for being with us.

926
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
We so appreciate and so value you.

927
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
That's why we're doing this podcast.

928
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
We'd love to hear from you.

929
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
I don't know what platform you listen to us on.

930
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
If you would go to Fountain, it's an app.

931
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
You can get on your phone.

932
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Just download the app.

933
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Find us on Facebook.

934
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Just download the app.

935
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Find us on Fountain.

936
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
If you will listen to us on Fountain, you'll actually earn Satoshis.

937
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
I mean, it's an amazing value for value platform.

938
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Podcast 2.0.

939
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
It's something Adam Curry invented.

940
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
What is it?

941
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Brilliant idea.

942
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
But what it is basically,

943
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
instead of us asking for donations to help us fund this

944
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
and resource it,

945
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
you can go to Fountain and literally just listen to it

946
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
and you'll actually earn Satoshis while you're listening.

947
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Then you can donate those sources to the foundation.

948
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000
You can donate those sources while you're listening.

949
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Then you can donate those forward.

950
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
It really helps us continue this.

951
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
We always want to broaden our platform.

952
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Of course, add equipment over time and all that.

953
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
We're young and new and starting,

954
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
but we're having a ball doing it.

955
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
We hope you're encouraged.

956
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
If there's any way we can help you, do write us.

957
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Do write us.

958
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
I'll write you back personally

959
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
because I do want to encourage you.

960
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Again, it's livingupandadoworld.com.

961
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Now, I'm also a pastor at Bridge Church

962
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
in Fredericksburg, Texas.

963
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
We have a thriving church

964
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
that's growing and alive with God's Spirit.

965
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
People are learning to live up in a down world

966
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
and I'm telling you, you can feel it in the atmosphere.

967
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
But we actually put our services online.

968
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
We broadcast, so we would love for you to check it out.

969
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
It's at

970
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
BridgeFBG.com.

971
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
BridgeFBG.com.

972
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
BridgeFBG.com.

973
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
You can find, even on the front page,

974
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
if you'll scroll down,

975
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
you'll see the services and you can watch our services there.

976
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
We're also on YouTube

977
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
and you can find us at

978
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Bridge Church, Fredericksburg, Texas.

979
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
If you'll just look it up.

980
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000
There is a Bridge Church, Virginia.

981
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
Don't go there. It's a different church.

982
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Bridge Church, Fredericksburg, Texas.

983
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
We have a channel there. All of our messages are online.

984
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
We even keep the worship on there as well

985
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
if you want to enjoy that.

986
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Or you can go always fast forward right to

987
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
the message.

988
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
So, no perfect people allowed.

989
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
That's the series we're doing.

990
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
We're going to be talking about that and that night together on the program.

991
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
So, we love you. Have an amazing

992
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
day and an amazing

993
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,000
week on purpose.

994
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Keep your buckets filled and go out there

995
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
and leak life and make beautiful

996
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
messes where you go.

997
00:41:47,000 --> 00:42:03,000
God bless.