Nov. 20, 2024
"Jordan Peterson and the Jesus Revolution"
Join Jimmy and Annette and they discuss and unpack what it means to Live Up in a Down World.
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Don't get down when you're seeing the worst,
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cause the last will be the first.
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What a day I'm telling you,
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all things will be new.
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Living up in a down world.
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Yeah we're living, yeah we're living,
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living up in a down world.
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Oh!
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This is Jimmy Nanette and we are coming to you from
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the heart of Bridge Church,
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Stratford, Texas.
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In our studio.
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In our studio slash office.
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I got probably the coolest office in town, would you agree?
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Everybody who comes in here, especially Adam Curry,
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loves this office.
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And I'm having an office built, eventually.
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Yes, I know.
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Brian, our executive pastor,
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Brian and I are having offices built,
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because I don't have an office.
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I'm in a temporary office for now,
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until we hire a new producer.
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But yeah, I think I'm gonna,
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mine needs to be a little nicer than this.
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Oh my gosh.
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Cause I'm a female.
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You're a male, males don't care.
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Well this is where we do a lot of meetings in here as well,
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so it's not just the studio, it's a meeting room.
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It is the green room too, when we have guests.
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Yeah it is.
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Yeah, when Rebecca Alonso was here.
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We hung out in here.
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We did, not you and her, myself and I.
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Whatever.
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But yeah, we hung out in here.
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No, it is a great office.
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It's beautiful.
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It's very...
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It's cool.
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It's quiet and the carpet is nice.
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Well the sound too.
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The sound is phenomenal.
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We've got sound panels all over the place.
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Yes.
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Nice ones, plus the sound wall.
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We have a sound panel wall.
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And so yeah, works out great.
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And we do our video shoots in here.
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So how are you doing on this very special day, by the way?
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Today is our 32nd wedding anniversary.
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And 32 years of wow.
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Yes, 32 years of wow.
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Wow.
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Although I just had a women's meeting
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with part of our women's leadership team of the church
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because we wanted to talk about our last event
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and kind of go over dos and don'ts for our next one
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and it was great.
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And we were talking because one of the...
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We did a survey with all the women who came to the event
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and only 19 or 18 responses came in.
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But several of the responses when we asked the question
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what kind of events would you like in the future,
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they all came up with marriage.
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And I thought that was really interesting.
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That was the overwhelming response was marriage.
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People want to know how to have a wonderful marriage
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and what to do.
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How to keep from having constant challenges in your marriage.
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And so I told on you.
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Uh-oh.
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I know.
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Oh, no.
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I'm bringing this up because somebody might say something,
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but I told about...
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I talked about how dangerous it is not to have an argument
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before you get married.
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And you and I didn't.
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Oh, I know.
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But it was even...
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Tell the story you told them.
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It was even worse.
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I was playing golf with my brother.
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Yes.
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But it was worse for me because I was married, you know,
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for six months before my first husband
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and I had our first fight.
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And it was two weeks after we were married
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and it was not pretty.
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And I should have left right then and I didn't.
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But anyway, I did tell on you about the golf.
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But they all said...
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There was a disturbance in the force definitely this morning.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Well, honestly, no, but let me say this.
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I don't even know that person.
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And let's share with the audience what I shared with them
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was that we...
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I got really sick with a really, really bad flu.
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And Jimmy, we'd only been married about a year and a half,
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and Jimmy had a golf game planned with his brother.
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And you went and played golf, left me there,
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and I wasn't happy about that because I'm sick as a dog.
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But you decided to play another 18 holes with your brother.
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So you played.
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And I had to get someone to take me to the hospital
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because I was so sick.
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That is correct.
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And then when you came back, we had a fight
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because I'm like, I can't believe you actually
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played another round and I'm this sick.
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And you got upset and actually almost...
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You talked, you used the D word because you were like,
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I don't need this.
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Do you remember that?
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No, I don't remember that part.
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Okay, you did.
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And the next week we went and met with our pastor
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and he put you in your place.
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I know he did.
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No, he did.
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He said you were being selfish and your wife was homesick.
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But I do have to say this.
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I know you're looking... Okay, for the audience,
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you should see the look on his face.
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He's like about to have a blowout right now.
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But honestly, when I told that story, everyone was like,
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I don't even know that man.
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I said, I don't either because you have spent
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the last 32 years making it up to me.
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So I'm putting you on a pedestal now because you were young too.
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You were 30...
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I'm on an emotional roller coaster right now.
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I know you are.
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But you were what?
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31, 32 years old and dumb kids.
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You were 30.
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And you had kind of lived, even though you were married,
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you were pretty independent because your wife didn't do anything.
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True.
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And so you were pretty independent.
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So then when I needed you, you're like, what?
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I mean, I have a golf game.
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It was different.
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But you're not anything like that now.
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No, we had that very hard, difficult lesson.
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The honeymoon was over.
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It was.
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It was like, OK, let's get down to business now.
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We have real life to live.
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And you have spent, literally you have spent,
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this is what I told the women, 32 years making it up to me.
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Because now you hardly ever do anything outside of me.
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That's true.
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You do not play golf.
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And when you do, I'm like, go, you need to go.
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I am now helping you along with doing things outside of us.
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But you, literally, I don't even know that person.
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It was almost as if that day, that week that happened,
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was a whole other person and a whole other lifetime
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because I've never seen that side of you ever again in 32 years.
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So I'm going to say this not as an excuse,
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but sometimes things have to happen.
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I agree.
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To bring things to the surface.
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And that surfaced right away.
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OK, I can't do this marriage the same way I did the other marriage.
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I can't just be independent.
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She was fine with that.
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She actually preferred it.
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But you didn't.
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I didn't.
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So you're right.
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I have spent 32 years saying, no, I don't need to go do that.
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And you don't.
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You literally turn things down because you,
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we enjoy spending time together though.
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We do.
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It's not a weird dysfunctional thing.
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It's actually a really functional thing.
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You're my best friend on the planet.
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And you're mine too.
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And that's why I could share that story.
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For one, they needed to see that you're not absolutely 100% perfect.
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None of us are.
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But they need to see that that's not even who you are anymore.
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That there is hope if any of them or they know someone who's in a marriage
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to where there's some challenges like that.
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People can change because God can get a hold of someone.
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And the good thing is we went immediately into counseling and said,
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we need help.
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Absolutely.
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Because this happened, this happened.
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I don't think she responded right.
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I don't think you responded right.
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And he put us in our place and it was,
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and he was like, wait, y'all haven't even been married that long.
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You know what I loved about that guy?
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He was a pastor, I remember.
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At Jackie Watts Church in Lubbock.
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What I loved about him is that when we walked in,
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I'll never forget it.
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His desk was completely clear.
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There was nothing, not a laptop, nothing.
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He moved everything off the desk.
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Except his Bible and a yellow pad and a pen.
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And I was asking him, why do you do this?
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He said, I don't want any distractions.
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And he said, I want us to focus on the most important thing in this room
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is the Word of God sitting there.
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He said, I'm going to take some notes while we're talking,
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but I want you to know.
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He was beautiful.
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I'll never forget that.
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That made an impression on you.
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Oh, it made a huge impression to where you're that way when you meet with people.
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Oh, definitely.
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I'm not an LPC.
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I'm not a licensed professional counselor.
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I'm a pastor.
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My call is to make disciples.
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And so I don't even call it counseling.
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I call it discipling.
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And so yeah, we thank goodness we have Renee,
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who is an LPC who serves our church wonderfully.
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Yes, she does.
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And keeps a very heavy load here because the needs are great, right?
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But yeah, no, thank you for sharing the rest of that story.
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I would never have left it open.
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I would have just gone and ran my car into a tree or something.
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Oh, you're funny.
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No.
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It was a terrible memory because I just remember how horrible I felt afterwards
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and realized how I just totally missed the boat
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and that I can't do things the same way I did them before.
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I can't fall into...
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I can't just...
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Something had to change and it was me in that case.
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And so 32 years of wow, well, maybe like 31 and three quarters.
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31 and three quarters.
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Just kidding.
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Well, that was actually a year and a half.
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But also we had a lot of challenges with teens,
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my teens that I brought into the marriage.
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No doubt.
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So it wasn't what you expected,
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especially Alicia being as rebellious as she was.
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So I think all that just kind of...
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I mean, you're like, I need to go finally go play golf.
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And I think it was the first time you had played golf since we were married.
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And you're like, I got to get all this stress out.
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And it's just the timing wasn't perfect.
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Bad timing.
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Not that golf is bad because golf is good.
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It's just the timing.
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So anyway, I just had to share that
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because I'd literally just got out of the meeting
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and I didn't want you to be...
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Someone to come up to you and say,
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hey, I heard about what you did and you go, what?
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And you not know that I told the rest of the story.
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I know.
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But you know what?
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This is what I told him.
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And this is our anniversary.
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So I'm going to say this to everyone that is listening.
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I have the best husband anybody could ever have in the whole wide world.
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And I said this to them and they all said,
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wait, you don't know my husband.
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I have the best husband.
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And I'm like, I will arm wrestle you for that.
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No, just kidding.
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But I literally...
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This is what I love about you.
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I know we were going to do something else,
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but this is going to be about you.
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And the best thing is anytime you have hurt in some way me,
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I mean, the littlest things, you can't stand it.
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You are the type that you own up to things immediately.
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I don't know anybody like that.
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You really are a great man and you have a heart of gold.
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And you want to make sure everybody's happy.
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Everybody's filled with hope.
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Everybody's in a good place.
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And you're a positive, wonderful man.
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And I have never been around anybody like you.
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I'm privileged and blessed to be married to you for 32 years.
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So I have to say that.
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You can't say anything back.
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This is not about me.
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Because then now you're going to feel like you need to say something.
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I don't want you to.
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I want you to relish in the love I have for you.
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And it's bigger and wider than anything that I've ever experienced in my life
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other than my relationship with the Lord.
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Thank you.
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Do we need to hit stop and get a room?
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I know.
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Well, we're going home in a little while.
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I know.
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Welcome to episode 83 of Moving Up and Down in Warhol.
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Well, it is our anniversary.
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These are the days of our lives.
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I used to love that show.
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Everybody did.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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But I do.
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I want you to know that is how I talk about you in public
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with anybody I'm talking with about our marriage
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and about you as a husband.
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And you really are special.
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You really are.
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Thank you, Beth.
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I love you so much.
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I love you and appreciate that so much.
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It's huge.
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It's hard to hear, honestly.
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I know.
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It is.
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I'm used to giving it out.
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You're used to giving it out.
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I'm not the praise.
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So it's hard to receive.
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But I do.
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I want to say thank you for saying that out loud
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and for the millions of listeners.
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The millions.
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For the handful of folks we have listening to our podcast,
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I do thank you for that.
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And you and the ladies were talking about
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what does it take to make a good marriage.
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One simple thing is to talk your spouse up to other people.
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Never talk them down.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So many marriages tanked.
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So many relationships damaged.
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Power of your words.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Because of talking your spouse down to other people.
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Because you're mad.
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Because you're angry.
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You want to be validated.
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And that is one of the most dangerous things you can do.
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Because those emotions pass.
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And you may say things in a moment of emotion
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that you don't feel all the time.
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But in that moment, you feel that.
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You just want to be validated in your anger.
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And so you say something that you do and will regret.
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And I'm just so thankful that we have done, I think, well
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in that category.
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We have.
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Where our heart is to build each other up.
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Because there's enough negativity in the world
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without us having to add to it.
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That's what I love about you.
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That's the difference in our personalities.
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You see the cup half full and I see it half empty.
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And so the longer we're married, the fuller that cup is.
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Because it's kind of like you have become more like me
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and that you're more black and white than you used to be.
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And I'm a little bit more grayer than I used to be.
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We were laughing about that this morning.
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Yes, we were.
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And that's the difference.
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Or that's what happens when you're together a long time.
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You begin to kind of bleed over with each other.
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And you both look the same.
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If it's healthy.
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If it's healthy, yes.
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And if it's healthy, if you do, you begin to grow towards the center.
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That's what I call that.
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Where you're starting to meet each other in the middle more.
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But over time, you both gravitate that way.
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Because I made a comment this morning.
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It was kind of hardcore like Bible stuff.
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And you're like, that sounds like something I would say.
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I would say, yes.
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It does, doesn't it?
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You're rubbing off on me after 32 years.
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That happens.
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Well, you finally came over to the other side.
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Finally, finally.
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You're not so positive anymore.
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No, no, no, no.
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It's not about that.
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I know.
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It wasn't even a negative thing.
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But it was actually being more in terms of as Christians calling people out to live this
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life instead of playing games.
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And so, yeah, you've definitely rubbed off on me.
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Because I had a large gray area.
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A lot of grace for people.
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A lot of grace for people.
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And part of that is because I needed so much grace.
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Yes, you did.
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And still do.
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Yes.
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That, yeah, thanks for agreeing on that.
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No, we all do.
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But I do.
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And so, I do tend to give out what I need.
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And I have a lot more grace for people than I used to.
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You do, for sure.
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Because the Lord has taken a lot of the traumas in my life and turned it from contempt to
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compassion.
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And so, I have a lot more grace.
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And so, you have definitely rubbed off on me in that.
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Another thing that you've really shifted in is that you've become a hugger.
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I know.
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There was a day even when I would hug you.
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I would recoil.
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You'd have to stop and think for a second, wait, this is my husband.
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Yeah.
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And then you'd hug me.
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But your first initial, it was like hugging a two-by-four.
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I know.
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It's stiff.
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And yet Tina and Adam say you're not really a hugger, but they have no idea where I came
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from.
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Oh my gosh.
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They have no idea.
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I am really.
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Oh, on Sunday mornings, I'm seeing you're like, bring it in here.
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I know.
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Someone will shake my hand.
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I'm like, well, can I hug you?
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Give me a hug.
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And they're like, sure.
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And I'm like, I can't believe I just said that.
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But yeah, you definitely brought that out in me.
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And a lot of times I'll ask people if I can hug them because you never know.
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No, I agree with that.
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Of course, some people could say no, and that would be weird.
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I'm that way too.
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But I still want to.
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Especially if people don't know well.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So much of our past, so much of how we were raised impacts a lot of those things.
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And I just had an affectionate family.
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And I didn't.
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So that was like normal for me.
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I was telling you the day, and it sounds kind of funny to say it now in retrospect, but
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my grandmother was one of our lunch ladies when I was in high school.
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I know.
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You got all the free good food.
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Oh, I got the good stuff.
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Because I liked some of the food.
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She put extra sugar in the cornbread for mine.
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Oh, and the rolls.
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And my friends.
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My friends always wanted to eat with me at the cafeteria.
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The rolls.
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She probably gave you extra rolls.
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Always, always.
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And she always did little extra goodies.
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Like, I'd get a real piece of cake instead of the cake that you got.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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And she'd make it and make it and bring it for you.
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Oh, yeah.
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She'd make it right there.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So.
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I actually thought that I can still taste the food in my mouth from school.
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Can you?
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Literally, I can.
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Yeah, I actually, I didn't have any problem with it.
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I didn't either.
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I liked the food.
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Now you're making me hungry because it is lunchtime.
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I know I'm getting hungry too.
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But I would go in and I did this until I graduated from high school.
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But I would go to lunch.
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All my friends are with me.
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And I'd walk right over.
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I'd kiss my grandmother right on the lips.
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Wow.
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And I'd be like, oh, it's just a peck, a little peck, you know.
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Wow.
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But I was like, this is my grandmother.
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And I don't care.
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See, you're lucky.
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I'm not trying to be too cool for that.
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I didn't have a grandmother that was around past the age of six, I think, or 10 or something.
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Some real young age, so I don't remember much.
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And she didn't live in the same town, so it was quite different.
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You had a great upbringing.
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I'm very, the older I get, the more I realize how blessed I was.
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Yes.
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Even though your parents weren't godly, they were good parents.
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Well, I would say maybe saying godly is not the right way to even characterize that.
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They just were not Christians.
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Yeah.
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But they had godly characteristics.
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Right.
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That's true.
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Common courtesies.
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Man, I learned those young.
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Boy.
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How to work hard.
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I've never met anybody like you.
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How to leave things better than you found them.
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My dad gave me a lot of really good just life lessons.
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You know, leave it better than you found it.
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You know, those kinds of things where I pack it in, pack it out.
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You know, I just, he did good on that.
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And I really appreciate it.
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My mom was just very self-sacrificing for us.
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Loving.
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A very loving mom.
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Yeah, very, very much so.
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So yes, very, very, very blessed.
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And then when I became a Christian, they didn't recoil, you know.
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Well, your dad tell you not to get carried away.
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He said don't become a fanatical, and my comeback was too late.
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Too late.
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I'm already there.
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But it was more tongue-in-cheek, and it wasn't mean-spirited at all.
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Never, never.
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They're just, I'm very grateful my parents were not mean-spirited.
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I feel terrible if they ended up in a divorce, you know, when I was 17.
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But I was kind of on the way out anyway.
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I was already looking towards, you know, my senior year of high school
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and what's coming next, going to college and all that.
532
00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:00,000
So in a sense, I would say it was not as impactful on my life as it was on my brother's.
533
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000
Right, because he was three years younger.
534
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,000
Three years younger, and so it landed a lot harder with him for obvious reasons.
535
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000
Right, right.
536
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000
Me, I'm like, I was never home.
537
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,000
I was playing all the sports.
538
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000
I had a car.
539
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000
So I was never home anyway.
540
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Even though it saddened me through the years, I would just say it didn't impact me as deeply,
541
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,000
which is understandable.
542
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:32,000
But because you had a great upbringing with great values, it carried over to your adulthood,
543
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000
and you have great values.
544
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000
So you becoming a Christian just enhanced that even more.
545
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
It wasn't like you changed drastically.
546
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000
You already had that imprinted on you.
547
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000
It even shaped my worldview.
548
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000
Yes.
549
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000
Because I don't, even as dark as it can get out there,
550
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,000
and like during this last election cycle, Rome's burning, the world's on fire,
551
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000
I still live up in the middle of that.
552
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,000
I still just refuse to let that define my life.
553
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000
Which is why we named this podcast, Living Up in a Down World,
554
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,000
because you have always lived up in a down world.
555
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000
I haven't.
556
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000
And I've had some down stuff that I had to overcome.
557
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,000
But you still, you always saw the positive.
558
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,000
I think that's my call, but I'm going to deny it right now.
559
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000
Thank you.
560
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000
Since I'm doing a podcast right now.
561
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,000
The thing is, I think it's what's...
562
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000
I don't know what you just did, but you didn't turn it off.
563
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000
I put it voicemail, so it was going to my voicemail.
564
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000
No, it actually said waiting.
565
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000
It's a weird thing.
566
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000
I've never seen that before.
567
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000
I know, very heavy.
568
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
That's what I'm saying.
569
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000
I think it's a consumer cellular thing.
570
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,000
We're old people's way of consumer cellular.
571
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,000
But anyway, now you made me lose my train of thought.
572
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000
Sorry.
573
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000
Oh my gosh.
574
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000
I'm going to be messed up now.
575
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000
I know, it's okay.
576
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Okay, I got you all fixed up.
577
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000
You're good to go.
578
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000
Thank you.
579
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Thank you so much.
580
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Phone's back in service.
581
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,000
Whatever you hit.
582
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:06,000
I think because when you became a Christian, you really...
583
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:13,000
It's crazy because I've had to change over time drastically to overcome things.
584
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,000
But you haven't because God already put His heart in you.
585
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000
And you just needed...
586
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,000
I guess you just needed a standard.
587
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,000
You needed the Bible.
588
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,000
You needed that in your life to give you a standard rather than just the values that
589
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000
your parents gave you.
590
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000
Does that make sense?
591
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,000
Yeah, it does.
592
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,000
It kind of reminds me, we watched a wonderful, wonderful podcast interview with...
593
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000
It was actually Jordan Peterson's program.
594
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,000
He was interviewing Greg Lorry from Jesus Revolution.
595
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000
He's a pastor, 72 years old and still going strong.
596
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000
He's so healthy.
597
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000
He looks amazing.
598
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Yeah.
599
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000
I mean, he's like still going strong.
600
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000
And he pastors Calvary Chapel Church.
601
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,000
And he was part of the Jesus Revolution, the Jesus movement in California.
602
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Which the movie was based on his life.
603
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Yeah, Jesus Revolution.
604
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,000
So Jordan Peterson watched the movie, was fascinated by it and reached out to Pastor
605
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Greg Lorry and...
606
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Had him on his show.
607
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000
Lorry, I always get it.
608
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000
Lorry.
609
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Lorry.
610
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000
And had him on his show.
611
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
And it was a phenomenal interview.
612
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
It was like an hour and 45 minutes and we watched the whole thing.
613
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000
We did.
614
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000
I hardly blinked.
615
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000
You know me.
616
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000
I know.
617
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000
I don't sit there for that long.
618
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000
No.
619
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
I have to get up and move around.
620
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
I was all in.
621
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000
It was so good.
622
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000
It was that good.
623
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,000
And I can relate a little bit to a story not from his past in terms of having a rough upbringing.
624
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,000
He had a very difficult time with his mother and abandoned by his fathers.
625
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,000
All seven of them.
626
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Gosh.
627
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
You know, rough, rough go.
628
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Which led him into the hippie drug culture of the 60s and 70s right around 1970.
629
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,000
My story wasn't quite that like that.
630
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000
But the transformation when Jesus came into my life was.
631
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000
Well, it's because again, you didn't grow up in church.
632
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Neither did Greg Lorry.
633
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
He didn't go until he was 17.
634
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,000
You were 17 before you went to church.
635
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Almost 18.
636
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000
And so you can relate to that.
637
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000
You didn't have that in your background.
638
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000
I didn't have to overcome a lot of the pain, the trauma.
639
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
I'm very blessed in that.
640
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000
So that's been very helpful.
641
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000
And of course, that shapes your worldview.
642
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
You don't look at the world as a scary place.
643
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,000
You look at it as there's scary people and there's scary situations.
644
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000
But that doesn't make the whole world bad.
645
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000
So yeah, that did shape and does continue to shape my worldview.
646
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Even in the craziness that's happening now, I still just have great hope.
647
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
I really do.
648
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000
Which I align more with Kirk Cameron on that because Kirk Cameron is all about,
649
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
hey, let's not lose hope.
650
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,000
While we're here on this earth, let's bring it to a better place.
651
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Whereas some Christians have said, oh no, we're in the last of the last days.
652
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
It's got to get worse before it gets better.
653
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000
And so they sell out to this negative mentality of, well, then don't try to make it better.
654
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Just let it go bad.
655
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
That way Jesus will come back quicker.
656
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
I mean, it's insane.
657
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
It is.
658
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000
And so I'm more in line with Kirk on that of saying, no, no, no, no.
659
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:25,000
While we're here on our watch, we have a responsibility to bring the kingdom of God here now.
660
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Anyway, that really impacted my life.
661
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000
So I really related to Greg in that sense as he was talking about.
662
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000
He had very, very quick exponential growth in his faith.
663
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
He had Chuck Smith who came along and mentored in my head.
664
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Great man of God.
665
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
I had Pastor Kim Norwood and others.
666
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000
He was a mentor to me, a pastor.
667
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Pastor Hank Scott.
668
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Along the way, God always put people on my path to mentor me.
669
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Which I never had that.
670
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,000
I had a few Sunday school teachers when I was young, but when I was older, I did not have a mentor.
671
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000
I will say this.
672
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
I chased them.
673
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
I learned how to chase early on.
674
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
And I didn't know how to do that.
675
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000
So I really wasn't mentored until you and I got married.
676
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
I get that.
677
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000
And I think a part of that too is I was an athlete growing up, so I always had coaches in my life.
678
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000
So you knew how to...
679
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000
I knew how to pursue.
680
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,000
If I wanted to play, I knew I needed to get that coach's attention, which means I needed to be in his orbit.
681
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Well, you even pursued your college dean so that you got a free ride to college because you pursued the person
682
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:31,000
that was in charge of giving out the scholarships, and you made sure that they knew you were serious about college,
683
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
and you needed scholarships.
684
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000
I know. I couldn't have done it otherwise, especially going to a private college.
685
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,000
But again, this goes back to your character and your values.
686
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000
It really does.
687
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000
And you know what's valuable, and so you're going to pursue whatever it takes.
688
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Again, credit to my parents for teaching me to...
689
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000
Gosh. It's huge.
690
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,000
To chase what... To go after what you believe you need.
691
00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Fortunately, as a Christian, it was very shaped and formed by Scripture and the Bible and the right things.
692
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,000
I think had I not have become a Christian, I would have different motives.
693
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
It would have been more about me.
694
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000
So let me say this.
695
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:16,000
As we were watching Jordan Peterson and Pastor Greg Lowry, Jordan has read the Bible over and over.
696
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000
He knows the Scripture.
697
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000
He's written books about it.
698
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,000
He's not a Christian yet, but look at who he's pursuing.
699
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:33,000
He's pursuing a lot of godly, especially pastors, but godly men and women and having them on his show.
700
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:39,000
It's like he is so searching for who God really...
701
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
He knows the Word.
702
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,000
He knows the Scripture, but he doesn't know Jesus personally.
703
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000
But look at what he's doing.
704
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
He's doing the same thing you did.
705
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,000
You pursued everyone that had a godly relationship because you wanted that from God.
706
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
And that's what Jordan Peterson is doing.
707
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,000
He is right on the cusp of becoming a Christian.
708
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000
That was what was so fascinating about watching that yesterday,
709
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,000
is he was listening to every word of Pastor Greg's testimony,
710
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,000
and then he was breaking it apart and asking him those hard questions.
711
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Well, how did you know?
712
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
How did you know this when you did this?
713
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,000
How did you know?
714
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
That was really interesting.
715
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:30,000
I would recommend people, especially if you know who Greg Lowry is or you know who Jordan Peterson is,
716
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000
who is a psychologist out of Canada.
717
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000
He's brilliant.
718
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
He's with the Daily Wire.
719
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
He is phenomenal.
720
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000
In fact, he was the reason why we went on Carnivore.
721
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Yeah, we watched him on Joe Rogan,
722
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000
talking about his daughter who had so many conditions healed.
723
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Healed from that.
724
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,000
And then he and his wife both went on it, and now all three of them have been on it for years.
725
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000
And now his daughter has kind of gone more keto, which is kind of what I've done.
726
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,000
But man, he's brilliant.
727
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
He is a brilliant man.
728
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
In fact, he goes over our head a lot.
729
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
We're like, what did he just say?
730
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Even last night, I looked at you and I said, I have no idea what he's talking about.
731
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
And we looked at Greg Lowry and we went, he's probably saying the same thing.
732
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
I have no idea what you're saying.
733
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
So let me just reiterate what I just said.
734
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,000
And maybe it was amazing.
735
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
I think it's hysterical, actually.
736
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
That was a great interview.
737
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:39,000
And what I loved about it is Greg was so, you could tell his whole task for being there was to show who Christ is
738
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,000
because he wants Jordan Peterson to have that relationship, that it's not about the head knowledge.
739
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
It's about the heart.
740
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:53,000
Because that's where Jordan Peterson has a hard time because he's so about knowledge and the head knowledge.
741
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
But it's hard for him to understand through the heart.
742
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:03,000
And that's why a lot of people who have head knowledge, they think they're Christians,
743
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
but it hasn't connected to their heart.
744
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000
So they don't know how to live for him on a daily basis.
745
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
You've heard me say this over and over.
746
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Sorry to interrupt.
747
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
No, no, you're good.
748
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,000
It's an insertion point.
749
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000
You're talking about the 18 inches?
750
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Yes.
751
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
I said it again on Sunday and somebody came to me and said, oh my gosh, that was huge for me.
752
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
You said it Sunday?
753
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
Or maybe it was last Wednesday.
754
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000
It was one last Wednesday when I taught on faith.
755
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:30,000
I said I would hate to miss heaven by 18 inches because there's a difference between a head knowledge,
756
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,000
which is called mental ascent, where you kind of, you know in your head these things,
757
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000
but you've never made the leap, the 18 inch leap from the heart, so the center of your head,
758
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
brain to the center of average man is 18 inches.
759
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000
And I just said I'd hate to miss heaven by 18 inches.
760
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000
By 18 inches.
761
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
And that's so true.
762
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
And so I look at what Jordan's doing.
763
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Now he's doing the right things.
764
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
He's a thinker.
765
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Man, is he a thinker.
766
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
He's an analyzer.
767
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000
He has to do this.
768
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
So in a way that's just, he's wired this way.
769
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
I think he's so near the kingdom.
770
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
I did read a little bit about his wife.
771
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000
She is a believer.
772
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000
She's a Christian.
773
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,000
She's pursuing Catholicism as a born again believer because she likes the symbolism and
774
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
all the iconoclasticism.
775
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000
She loves all that.
776
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
And that's totally awesome, totally legitimate.
777
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
But she's pursuing Jesus.
778
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
She even has podcasts that have spiritual.
779
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Which I think that's probably why he's on the pursuit because he sees something in her.
780
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:33,000
And I would say it would be hard for someone that's so highly intellectual to, I remember
781
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Norm Porman.
782
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Angel and Norm Porman were friends of ours in Abilene.
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They were in our church for a time.
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And I remember she's real just out there artsy, just lover of the world.
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And he is so highly intelligent.
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He's a dentist in Abilene.
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He's analytical.
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Very analytical.
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And he wasn't getting it.
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He would come to church but he just wasn't getting it.
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And he was driving hard.
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He wanted what she had and what we had.
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And then the next time I saw him after we moved away and I saw him, he was a whole different
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person because it finally clicked with him.
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And I remember I went to the dentist office and we got in a circle with some of the employees
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and it was Angel and Norm.
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And he was praying heaven down.
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He was saying things that I have never heard come out of his mouth.
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And I thought he finally connected it.
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This is Jordan Peterson.
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It's going to, this is even last night as we were watching this episode, I was praying,
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Lord, just connect it, connect it, connect it.
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Because he's so on the cusp of being a solid Christian because he knows so much.
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I can't imagine if he can really get that relationship to where he is really depending
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on God instead of what, you know, just the scriptures, what will happen.
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He could be an amazing preacher.
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Doesn't mean he has to be in a pulpit, but where he's at, where you live, work, and play,
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as we say.
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And I'm excited because I think that's why God keeps putting him in paths of people to
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help him get to that place.
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And some people need a little bit more help.
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But I also prayed this, just like I prayed, you know, I've been praying for the
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administration and I've been praying for the upcoming and for the prior
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administration, praying for a visitation in the bedroom of people who don't know
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Christ, who need Christ.
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I did that last night.
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I said, Lord, is it going to take a visitation from Christ himself in the
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bedroom at night when you're laying there and then he appears like it's what's
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happening in Ibram?
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Yeah, that's praying, that's asking the man in white to show up.
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Yes, and that's what I'm praying for Jordan Peterson.
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I think that's the only way he's going to really get it.
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It may be.
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I think he's very near the kingdom.
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You know, Joe Rogan's very near the kingdom.
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There was a time when Russell Brand was in the same spot.
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He was exploring.
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And now look at him.
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Now look at him.
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He's on fire.
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Adam Curry as well.
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It's these highly intelligent that overthink everything.
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Yeah, super thinkers.
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And yet, boy, when they finally step over the line, they become warriors for
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Jesus.
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And it's the real thing.
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The real deal.
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And they're going to go faster and stronger than we could ever go because I don't
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know, it's just amazing.
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I think we all have our callings, our lanes that we're called to run in, and we
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run well in our lane and we're faithful with what God gave us.
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So it's not really farther, stronger, longer.
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It's none of that.
844
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It's more you being faithful to the call of God in your life.
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It may be very different than a Russell Brand or a Jordan Peterson.
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But God's doing something amazing among people that we would call influencers,
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people who are famous, people, even celebrities and athletes.
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And we're seeing that happen a lot across the world.
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That's exciting.
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But He's doing it grassroots as well.
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I mean, on college campuses and all over the world.
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God is moving.
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We had 38 people stand up on Sunday after an altar call that Pastor Brian gave of
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people that want to be totally immersed in God, like give it all.
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38 people stood up, stood up in church.
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Adults.
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We're not talking children.
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There were no children in the sanctuary.
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It was all older adults that are saying, you know what, I'm ready to just step in
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all the way.
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And that was huge.
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To me, we have revival.
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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,000
We already have it.
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00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
It's not coming.
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It's here.
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00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
It's here.
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And I think it's happening all across the globe.
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And we just need to open up our eyes and see it.
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There it is.
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00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
It's for those who have, Jesus would use this phrase, for those who have ears to hear.
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But there's also those who have eyes to see and then a heart to know.
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I mean, it's so important that we live our lives with eyes wide open, ears wide open,
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our spirit wide open so that we can recognize the activity of God, the movement of God,
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and then join Him in His work.
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And it's a simple principle, obviously, from the study experiencing God by Henry Blackaby.
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Rest in peace.
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But Henry Blackaby wrote the study and the premise of it was you look to see where God
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is working.
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When you recognize it's at His activity, it's His invitation to join Him in His work.
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Which is why I see our church growing because we're not only preaching the gospel on Sundays.
881
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:41,000
We not only have a freedom in Christ ministry that's going on Tuesday nights.
882
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We have a discipleship on Wednesdays.
883
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And our discipleship program on Wednesday nights is so strong.
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00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,000
It is like, I was just talking to Wendy Hearn about it and she said, you know, when you're
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a realtor, you take realtor classes, but then when you want to go deeper, you take GRI classes.
886
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
She said, it's like taking a GRI classes.
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And it's really in depth and it's intense.
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And she said, that's what this is.
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00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000
And she said, it is phenomenal.
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And what we're seeing is the people that are going to that, their eyes are being open,
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00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,000
their hearts are being open, and their ears are open to hear and know how to take this
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00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,000
life that God has given us and take it out there beyond the walls of the church, beyond
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00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000
the walls of your house and live it out.
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00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
We don't have a lot of time.
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I mean, we're 62 years old and, you know, they say if you get to 72, you're doing pretty well.
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I mean, that's kind of, I mean, think about it.
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The older we get, the more that are dropping around us that are our age.
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I've got several friends that have been through strokes and heart attacks recently.
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And boys, they came very close to the brink of death, my age and younger.
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And so that's why it's really important to walk this, our faith out.
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00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
That's what faith is.
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00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Faith without works is dead.
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00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
And we have to walk it out.
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It doesn't mean that we're doing works to get saved.
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We're already saved.
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00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
We're doing works out of pleasure because we want the pleasure of God.
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I also like and this is something my coaches would say, that is run through the tape.
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00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Finish the race strong.
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00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Don't come up short.
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00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Don't pull up short.
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00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Finish strong.
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And I feel like that's where we're at.
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00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
We're in our in-game kick, whatever.
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00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,000
It could be another 20, 30 years, but it is still in the back half of our life.
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So I want to run through the tape, finish strong.
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I want to take as many people to heaven with me as I can.
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00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
That's what I live for.
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00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Because God doesn't want to come back until everybody has called on his name.
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And that's not going to happen, but they will.
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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
When he does come back, everyone will know.
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And when he comes back, it'll be on his terms, his timing.
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00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,000
We can do our best to interpret what that looks like through the scripture.
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00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
But at the end of the day, it's on him.
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00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
But in the meantime, we have lots of work to do.
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00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Yes, we do.
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Beautiful. Beautiful.
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Before we go, I want you to talk about Hello Fred.
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Oh, wonderful.
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What does Fred stand for?
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00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000
One of my favorite topics right now.
931
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And what does Fred stand for?
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So Hello Fred is part of an embed tool that you can get on your computer, your phone,
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00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
your tablet called the Godcaster.
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Adam Curry and a team of two other, one a developer, another one who owns a company,
935
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,000
they've gotten together and they have developed this amazing, amazing,
936
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I guess you could call it a widget.
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00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
You can drop it in on your web page.
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You can just go to the website.
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00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Hellofred.com.
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No, HelloFred.fm.
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And you can get the sample there.
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And Hello Fred is Hello Fredericksburg.
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00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Fredericksburg, Texas.
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00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,000
And what they have done is they've created an outlet and an opportunity,
945
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,000
an on-ramp, I would call it, so that any church or organization
946
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
can literally have their own 24-7 radio station.
947
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
But instead of broadcasting off of a tower over the airwaves,
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it broadcasts over the internet.
949
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It sounds phenomenal.
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00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000
It works phenomenally.
951
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000
It's an amazing thing to look into.
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00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000
And so if you're a church, if you're a pastor, you're part of a church
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and you're listening to this podcast, check out Hello Fred.
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Go HelloFred.fm.
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Pull that up and you'll see just the one we've developed to show everybody.
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You can go to our website at bridgefbg.com, bridgefbg.com.
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Scroll down about halfway and you'll see the Godcaster there.
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You can click on Hello Fred, which is Hello Fredericksburg.
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It's local.
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We have local news.
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We have local, this is what's happening in our city council.
962
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,000
This is what's happening in the Market Plot, the park.
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Things are going on in our church.
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We run our announcement reel and then we play music 24-7,
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Christian music on ours.
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Check it out again, bridgefbg.com, and check out the Godcaster.
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Let it blast through your house.
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It's amazing.
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00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
What I love about it, I just pulled it up, HelloFred.fm,
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00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
and it's got a widget that says Hello Fred.
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You click on that and you have 24-hour music.
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It's all worship music.
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Then it has your devotions are kind of spread throughout.
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Yeah, the daily grind.
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Yeah, which is great.
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Some announcements as to what's going on in Fred,
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like December 7th, there's a big Christmas event
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that's put on that you're part of, Adam Curry is part of,
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Trey Blocker started it.
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It gives you the announcements of what's happening in your community.
981
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We're the guinea pig, I guess.
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We're the tester, the beta tester.
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Any community can do this or any church can do this.
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On our church, we have certain podcasts on there that we listen to
985
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000
that are informing us as we preach or as we speak or whatever.
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The one from Hello Fred is for Fredericksburg,
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but I notice he's got Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.
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He's got a Marriage podcast with Jim Daly on here.
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He's got the American Campfire Revival with Kirk Cameron, his podcast.
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00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,000
He's got our church on here, our website.
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He's got your podcast with...
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You must be looking at HelloFred.com.
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I am,.fm.
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.fm, I know.
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I'm looking at your interview podcast with Craig Weinberg,
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Our Living Up in the Down World, Curry and the Keeper,
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and this is for Fredericksburg.
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Love that.
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So anybody who has something that obviously has the values,
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godly values, he would put on here.
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And I love it.
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00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
It's great.
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00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Oh, this is cool.
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He's made it very cost effective for people to have.
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Oh man, for an organization.
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00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Oh, it's fantastic.
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We don't listen to any other radio or anything anymore
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because Hello Fred is 24-7 music.
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And if we want to listen to a podcast, we can click on it.
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And we have a say so in the music that's on there.
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That's the beauty of it.
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You can customize it for your own church, your own organization.
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So if your church only wants hymns or gospel oriented type music,
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you can do that.
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You can build that out.
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We prefer, we like it all.
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Yeah.
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Ours is much more upbeat, contemporary.
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We have a few things from the 80s and 90s and early 2000s,
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but I'd say 80% of it is more current.
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And so it's very cool, very uplifting.
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The whole point is to help people live up in a down world.
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Not as our podcast, but just literally that.
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We want to help people live up.
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And this gives you a shot in the arm.
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I keep it going in my car.
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We've got it going at the house.
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We have Sonos at the house and we've got it going over our Sonos.
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24-7.
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It's going right now while we're here.
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Well, not while we're sleeping, obviously.
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No, but right now while we're here at the office.
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So anyway, check it out again, hellofred.fm.
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So hey, thanks for joining us today.
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We do have two thank yous.
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Right. I'm not through.
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Oh, okay. Sorry.
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I just want to make sure.
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I'm not done.
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Okay.
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I was just saying thank you everybody for listening to us.
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And a couple of other things is go to livingupinadownworld.com.
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That's our website that has all of our podcasts on there.
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And you can go back and look at all the blogs under the blog tab.
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It's the Daily Grind short Devo's just to help you along with your day
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covering every topic imaginable.
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And those are all archived on there.
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And then you can always leave us a note.
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You can write us a note.
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You can ask us questions.
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00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
You can leave a review.
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00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,000
And you can also subscribe so that you get an email just letting you know
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when the next podcast is coming out or if it already has.
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So be sure and do that.
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So we do have a couple of people to thank here.
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I've actually got it pulled up, babe.
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Randy Black, I want to say thank you for giving to us
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and sewing Satoshi's into us.
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He gave us some boostograms.
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And then also Sir Bia's Grace, sending and helping.
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But we also have some others that have donated online through PayPal
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on our website.
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Yes, Trey Blocker donated.
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Big thanks to Trey.
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James Baring's every little bit.
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Thanks, James.
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You're a blessing to us.
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And then Nancy.
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I'm looking to see what hers is.
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Hold on.
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Hers is a strap.
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It's Nancy.
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It's something I have to look at.
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I don't know who she is, but...
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But thank you, Nancy.
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Her name is Nancy, obviously.
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It is.
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And she, what I love, is giving us yearly.
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She pays a yearly subscription.
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That's beautiful.
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It's just beautiful.
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It really is.
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That's awesome.
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It's just beautiful.
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Now, Eric P.P., I don't think I gave him a shout out from the week before,
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but just so appreciate you giving us the boost.
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We just really, really appreciate it.
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We have so many amazing people that we've gotten to connect with.
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Of course, we got to go to a Noagin to meet up a few weeks ago.
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Just so neat meeting people, and they already know who we are,
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which is just mind-bending.
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They talk about us on their show.
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We appreciate that, Adam and Tina Curry.
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Check out Curry and the Keeper as well.
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So, hey, God bless you.
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We love you.
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We were trying to land 30 minutes, and we didn't.
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We hit 46.
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Oh, wow.
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You're on fire.
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I am.
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Well, it's our anniversary.
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I know.
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It's a great day.
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I have to honor you.
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So, you're over what happened 32 years ago?
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I think I'll stick with you.
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Okay, all right, so I'll be okay.
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I'm all right for another 32.
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You good for another three decades?
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Three decades?
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Three decades.
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I know it's crazy.
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Wow.
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I can't imagine.
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All right, baby girl.
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We are out of here.
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Keep living up in the down world.
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We love you guys, and it's just a pleasure to do this.
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And have an amazing week on purpose.
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We love you.
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We love you.
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Thank you.
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Don't get down when you're seeing the worst,
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cause the last will be the first.
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What a day I'm telling you,
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all things will be new.
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Living up in a down world.
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Yeah we're living, yeah we're living,
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living up in a down world.
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Oh!
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This is Jimmy Nanette and we are coming to you from
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the heart of Bridge Church,
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Stratford, Texas.
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In our studio.
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In our studio slash office.
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I got probably the coolest office in town, would you agree?
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Everybody who comes in here, especially Adam Curry,
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loves this office.
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And I'm having an office built, eventually.
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Yes, I know.
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Brian, our executive pastor,
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Brian and I are having offices built,
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because I don't have an office.
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I'm in a temporary office for now,
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until we hire a new producer.
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But yeah, I think I'm gonna,
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mine needs to be a little nicer than this.
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Oh my gosh.
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Cause I'm a female.
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You're a male, males don't care.
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Well this is where we do a lot of meetings in here as well,
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so it's not just the studio, it's a meeting room.
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It is the green room too, when we have guests.
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Yeah it is.
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Yeah, when Rebecca Alonso was here.
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We hung out in here.
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We did, not you and her, myself and I.
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Whatever.
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But yeah, we hung out in here.
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No, it is a great office.
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It's beautiful.
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It's very...
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It's cool.
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It's quiet and the carpet is nice.
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Well the sound too.
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The sound is phenomenal.
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We've got sound panels all over the place.
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Yes.
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Nice ones, plus the sound wall.
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We have a sound panel wall.
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And so yeah, works out great.
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And we do our video shoots in here.
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So how are you doing on this very special day, by the way?
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Today is our 32nd wedding anniversary.
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And 32 years of wow.
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Yes, 32 years of wow.
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Wow.
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Although I just had a women's meeting
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with part of our women's leadership team of the church
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because we wanted to talk about our last event
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and kind of go over dos and don'ts for our next one
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and it was great.
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And we were talking because one of the...
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We did a survey with all the women who came to the event
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and only 19 or 18 responses came in.
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But several of the responses when we asked the question
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what kind of events would you like in the future,
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they all came up with marriage.
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And I thought that was really interesting.
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That was the overwhelming response was marriage.
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People want to know how to have a wonderful marriage
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and what to do.
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How to keep from having constant challenges in your marriage.
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And so I told on you.
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Uh-oh.
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I know.
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Oh, no.
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I'm bringing this up because somebody might say something,
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but I told about...
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I talked about how dangerous it is not to have an argument
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before you get married.
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And you and I didn't.
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Oh, I know.
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But it was even...
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Tell the story you told them.
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It was even worse.
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I was playing golf with my brother.
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Yes.
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But it was worse for me because I was married, you know,
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for six months before my first husband
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and I had our first fight.
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And it was two weeks after we were married
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and it was not pretty.
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And I should have left right then and I didn't.
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But anyway, I did tell on you about the golf.
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But they all said...
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There was a disturbance in the force definitely this morning.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Well, honestly, no, but let me say this.
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I don't even know that person.
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And let's share with the audience what I shared with them
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was that we...
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I got really sick with a really, really bad flu.
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And Jimmy, we'd only been married about a year and a half,
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and Jimmy had a golf game planned with his brother.
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And you went and played golf, left me there,
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and I wasn't happy about that because I'm sick as a dog.
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But you decided to play another 18 holes with your brother.
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So you played.
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And I had to get someone to take me to the hospital
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because I was so sick.
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That is correct.
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And then when you came back, we had a fight
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because I'm like, I can't believe you actually
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played another round and I'm this sick.
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And you got upset and actually almost...
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You talked, you used the D word because you were like,
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I don't need this.
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Do you remember that?
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No, I don't remember that part.
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Okay, you did.
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And the next week we went and met with our pastor
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and he put you in your place.
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I know he did.
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No, he did.
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He said you were being selfish and your wife was homesick.
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But I do have to say this.
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I know you're looking... Okay, for the audience,
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you should see the look on his face.
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He's like about to have a blowout right now.
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But honestly, when I told that story, everyone was like,
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I don't even know that man.
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I said, I don't either because you have spent
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the last 32 years making it up to me.
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So I'm putting you on a pedestal now because you were young too.
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You were 30...
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I'm on an emotional roller coaster right now.
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I know you are.
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But you were what?
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31, 32 years old and dumb kids.
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You were 30.
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And you had kind of lived, even though you were married,
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you were pretty independent because your wife didn't do anything.
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True.
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And so you were pretty independent.
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So then when I needed you, you're like, what?
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I mean, I have a golf game.
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It was different.
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But you're not anything like that now.
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No, we had that very hard, difficult lesson.
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The honeymoon was over.
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It was.
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It was like, OK, let's get down to business now.
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We have real life to live.
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And you have spent, literally you have spent,
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this is what I told the women, 32 years making it up to me.
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Because now you hardly ever do anything outside of me.
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That's true.
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You do not play golf.
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And when you do, I'm like, go, you need to go.
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I am now helping you along with doing things outside of us.
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But you, literally, I don't even know that person.
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It was almost as if that day, that week that happened,
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was a whole other person and a whole other lifetime
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because I've never seen that side of you ever again in 32 years.
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So I'm going to say this not as an excuse,
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but sometimes things have to happen.
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I agree.
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To bring things to the surface.
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And that surfaced right away.
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OK, I can't do this marriage the same way I did the other marriage.
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I can't just be independent.
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She was fine with that.
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She actually preferred it.
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I didn't.
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So you're right.
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I have spent 32 years saying, no, I don't need to go do that.
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You literally turn things down because you,
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we enjoy spending time together though.
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It's not a weird dysfunctional thing.
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It's actually a really functional thing.
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You're my best friend on the planet.
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And you're mine too.
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And that's why I could share that story.
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For one, they needed to see that you're not absolutely 100% perfect.
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None of us are.
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That there is hope if any of them or they know someone who's in a marriage
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to where there's some challenges like that.
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People can change because God can get a hold of someone.
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we need help.
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Absolutely.
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Because this happened, this happened.
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I don't think she responded right.
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I don't think you responded right.
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and he was like, wait, y'all haven't even been married that long.
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You know what I loved about that guy?
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He was a pastor, I remember.
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At Jackie Watts Church in Lubbock.
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What I loved about him is that when we walked in,
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I'll never forget it.
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His desk was completely clear.
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There was nothing, not a laptop, nothing.
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He moved everything off the desk.
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He said, I don't want any distractions.
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is the Word of God sitting there.
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He said, I'm going to take some notes while we're talking,
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but I want you to know.
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He was beautiful.
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I'll never forget that.
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That made an impression on you.
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Oh, it made a huge impression to where you're that way when you meet with people.
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Oh, definitely.
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I'm not an LPC.
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I'm not a licensed professional counselor.
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My call is to make disciples.
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I call it discipling.
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who is an LPC who serves our church wonderfully.
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Yes, she does.
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And keeps a very heavy load here because the needs are great, right?
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But yeah, no, thank you for sharing the rest of that story.
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I would never have left it open.
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I would have just gone and ran my car into a tree or something.
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Oh, you're funny.
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No.
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It was a terrible memory because I just remember how horrible I felt afterwards
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and realized how I just totally missed the boat
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and that I can't do things the same way I did them before.
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I can't fall into...
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I can't just...
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Something had to change and it was me in that case.
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And so 32 years of wow, well, maybe like 31 and three quarters.
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31 and three quarters.
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Just kidding.
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Well, that was actually a year and a half.
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my teens that I brought into the marriage.
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especially Alicia being as rebellious as she was.
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I mean, you're like, I need to go finally go play golf.
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Bad timing.
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Not that golf is bad because golf is good.
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It's just the timing.
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So anyway, I just had to share that
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because I'd literally just got out of the meeting
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and I didn't want you to be...
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Someone to come up to you and say,
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hey, I heard about what you did and you go, what?
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And you not know that I told the rest of the story.
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I know.
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But you know what?
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This is what I told him.
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And this is our anniversary.
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So I'm going to say this to everyone that is listening.
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I have the best husband anybody could ever have in the whole wide world.
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And I said this to them and they all said,
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wait, you don't know my husband.
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I have the best husband.
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And I'm like, I will arm wrestle you for that.
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No, just kidding.
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This is what I love about you.
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I know we were going to do something else,
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but this is going to be about you.
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And the best thing is anytime you have hurt in some way me,
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I mean, the littlest things, you can't stand it.
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You are the type that you own up to things immediately.
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I don't know anybody like that.
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You really are a great man and you have a heart of gold.
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And you want to make sure everybody's happy.
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Everybody's filled with hope.
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Everybody's in a good place.
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And you're a positive, wonderful man.
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And I have never been around anybody like you.
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I'm privileged and blessed to be married to you for 32 years.
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You can't say anything back.
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This is not about me.
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Because then now you're going to feel like you need to say something.
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I don't want you to.
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I want you to relish in the love I have for you.
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And it's bigger and wider than anything that I've ever experienced in my life
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other than my relationship with the Lord.
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Thank you.
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Do we need to hit stop and get a room?
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I know.
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Well, we're going home in a little while.
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I know.
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Welcome to episode 83 of Moving Up and Down in Warhol.
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Well, it is our anniversary.
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These are the days of our lives.
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I used to love that show.
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Everybody did.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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But I do.
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I want you to know that is how I talk about you in public
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with anybody I'm talking with about our marriage
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and about you as a husband.
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And you really are special.
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You really are.
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Thank you, Beth.
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I love you so much.
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I love you and appreciate that so much.
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It's huge.
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It's hard to hear, honestly.
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I know.
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It is.
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I'm used to giving it out.
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You're used to giving it out.
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I'm not the praise.
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So it's hard to receive.
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But I do.
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I want to say thank you for saying that out loud
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and for the millions of listeners.
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The millions.
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For the handful of folks we have listening to our podcast,
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I do thank you for that.
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And you and the ladies were talking about
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what does it take to make a good marriage.
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One simple thing is to talk your spouse up to other people.
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Never talk them down.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So many marriages tanked.
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So many relationships damaged.
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Power of your words.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Because of talking your spouse down to other people.
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Because you're mad.
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Because you're angry.
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You want to be validated.
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And that is one of the most dangerous things you can do.
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Because those emotions pass.
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And you may say things in a moment of emotion
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that you don't feel all the time.
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But in that moment, you feel that.
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You just want to be validated in your anger.
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And so you say something that you do and will regret.
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And I'm just so thankful that we have done, I think, well
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in that category.
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We have.
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Where our heart is to build each other up.
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Because there's enough negativity in the world
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without us having to add to it.
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That's what I love about you.
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That's the difference in our personalities.
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You see the cup half full and I see it half empty.
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And so the longer we're married, the fuller that cup is.
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Because it's kind of like you have become more like me
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and that you're more black and white than you used to be.
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And I'm a little bit more grayer than I used to be.
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We were laughing about that this morning.
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Yes, we were.
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And that's the difference.
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Or that's what happens when you're together a long time.
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You begin to kind of bleed over with each other.
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And you both look the same.
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If it's healthy.
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If it's healthy, yes.
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And if it's healthy, if you do, you begin to grow towards the center.
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That's what I call that.
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Where you're starting to meet each other in the middle more.
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But over time, you both gravitate that way.
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Because I made a comment this morning.
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It was kind of hardcore like Bible stuff.
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And you're like, that sounds like something I would say.
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I would say, yes.
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It does, doesn't it?
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You're rubbing off on me after 32 years.
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That happens.
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Well, you finally came over to the other side.
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Finally, finally.
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You're not so positive anymore.
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No, no, no, no.
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It's not about that.
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I know.
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It wasn't even a negative thing.
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But it was actually being more in terms of as Christians calling people out to live this
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life instead of playing games.
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And so, yeah, you've definitely rubbed off on me.
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Because I had a large gray area.
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A lot of grace for people.
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A lot of grace for people.
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And part of that is because I needed so much grace.
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Yes, you did.
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And still do.
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Yes.
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That, yeah, thanks for agreeing on that.
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No, we all do.
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But I do.
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And so, I do tend to give out what I need.
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And I have a lot more grace for people than I used to.
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You do, for sure.
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Because the Lord has taken a lot of the traumas in my life and turned it from contempt to
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compassion.
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And so, I have a lot more grace.
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And so, you have definitely rubbed off on me in that.
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Another thing that you've really shifted in is that you've become a hugger.
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I know.
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There was a day even when I would hug you.
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I would recoil.
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You'd have to stop and think for a second, wait, this is my husband.
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And then you'd hug me.
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But your first initial, it was like hugging a two-by-four.
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I know.
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It's stiff.
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And yet Tina and Adam say you're not really a hugger, but they have no idea where I came
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from.
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Oh my gosh.
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They have no idea.
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I am really.
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Oh, on Sunday mornings, I'm seeing you're like, bring it in here.
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I know.
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Someone will shake my hand.
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I'm like, well, can I hug you?
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Give me a hug.
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And they're like, sure.
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And I'm like, I can't believe I just said that.
436
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But yeah, you definitely brought that out in me.
437
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,000
And a lot of times I'll ask people if I can hug them because you never know.
438
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000
No, I agree with that.
439
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000
Of course, some people could say no, and that would be weird.
440
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000
I'm that way too.
441
00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000
But I still want to.
442
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Especially if people don't know well.
443
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000
Yeah.
444
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000
Yeah.
445
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:10,000
So much of our past, so much of how we were raised impacts a lot of those things.
446
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000
And I just had an affectionate family.
447
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000
And I didn't.
448
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000
So that was like normal for me.
449
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I was telling you the day, and it sounds kind of funny to say it now in retrospect, but
450
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my grandmother was one of our lunch ladies when I was in high school.
451
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I know.
452
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000
You got all the free good food.
453
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000
Oh, I got the good stuff.
454
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000
Because I liked some of the food.
455
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000
She put extra sugar in the cornbread for mine.
456
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000
Oh, and the rolls.
457
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And my friends.
458
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,000
My friends always wanted to eat with me at the cafeteria.
459
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The rolls.
460
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000
She probably gave you extra rolls.
461
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000
Always, always.
462
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000
And she always did little extra goodies.
463
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Like, I'd get a real piece of cake instead of the cake that you got.
464
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Really?
465
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Yeah.
466
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000
And she'd make it and make it and bring it for you.
467
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,000
Oh, yeah.
468
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000
She'd make it right there.
469
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000
Oh, my gosh.
470
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000
So.
471
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,000
I actually thought that I can still taste the food in my mouth from school.
472
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,000
Can you?
473
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Literally, I can.
474
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000
Yeah, I actually, I didn't have any problem with it.
475
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000
I didn't either.
476
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000
I liked the food.
477
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000
Now you're making me hungry because it is lunchtime.
478
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000
I know I'm getting hungry too.
479
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000
But I would go in and I did this until I graduated from high school.
480
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000
But I would go to lunch.
481
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,000
All my friends are with me.
482
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000
And I'd walk right over.
483
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000
I'd kiss my grandmother right on the lips.
484
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000
Wow.
485
00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000
And I'd be like, oh, it's just a peck, a little peck, you know.
486
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000
Wow.
487
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000
But I was like, this is my grandmother.
488
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000
And I don't care.
489
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000
See, you're lucky.
490
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000
I'm not trying to be too cool for that.
491
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:24,000
I didn't have a grandmother that was around past the age of six, I think, or 10 or something.
492
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000
Some real young age, so I don't remember much.
493
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000
And she didn't live in the same town, so it was quite different.
494
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000
You had a great upbringing.
495
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000
I'm very, the older I get, the more I realize how blessed I was.
496
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Yes.
497
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,000
Even though your parents weren't godly, they were good parents.
498
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,000
Well, I would say maybe saying godly is not the right way to even characterize that.
499
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000
They just were not Christians.
500
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000
Yeah.
501
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000
But they had godly characteristics.
502
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000
Right.
503
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000
That's true.
504
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000
Common courtesies.
505
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,000
Man, I learned those young.
506
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000
Boy.
507
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,000
How to work hard.
508
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,000
I've never met anybody like you.
509
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,000
How to leave things better than you found them.
510
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:03,000
My dad gave me a lot of really good just life lessons.
511
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,000
You know, leave it better than you found it.
512
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000
You know, those kinds of things where I pack it in, pack it out.
513
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000
You know, I just, he did good on that.
514
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000
And I really appreciate it.
515
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000
My mom was just very self-sacrificing for us.
516
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000
Loving.
517
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000
A very loving mom.
518
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000
Yeah, very, very much so.
519
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000
So yes, very, very, very blessed.
520
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,000
And then when I became a Christian, they didn't recoil, you know.
521
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
Well, your dad tell you not to get carried away.
522
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000
He said don't become a fanatical, and my comeback was too late.
523
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000
Too late.
524
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000
I'm already there.
525
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,000
But it was more tongue-in-cheek, and it wasn't mean-spirited at all.
526
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000
Never, never.
527
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000
They're just, I'm very grateful my parents were not mean-spirited.
528
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,000
I feel terrible if they ended up in a divorce, you know, when I was 17.
529
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000
But I was kind of on the way out anyway.
530
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000
I was already looking towards, you know, my senior year of high school
531
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000
and what's coming next, going to college and all that.
532
00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:00,000
So in a sense, I would say it was not as impactful on my life as it was on my brother's.
533
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000
Right, because he was three years younger.
534
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,000
Three years younger, and so it landed a lot harder with him for obvious reasons.
535
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000
Right, right.
536
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000
Me, I'm like, I was never home.
537
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,000
I was playing all the sports.
538
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000
I had a car.
539
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000
So I was never home anyway.
540
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Even though it saddened me through the years, I would just say it didn't impact me as deeply,
541
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,000
which is understandable.
542
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:32,000
But because you had a great upbringing with great values, it carried over to your adulthood,
543
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000
and you have great values.
544
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000
So you becoming a Christian just enhanced that even more.
545
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
It wasn't like you changed drastically.
546
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000
You already had that imprinted on you.
547
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000
It even shaped my worldview.
548
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000
Yes.
549
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000
Because I don't, even as dark as it can get out there,
550
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,000
and like during this last election cycle, Rome's burning, the world's on fire,
551
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000
I still live up in the middle of that.
552
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,000
I still just refuse to let that define my life.
553
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000
Which is why we named this podcast, Living Up in a Down World,
554
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,000
because you have always lived up in a down world.
555
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000
I haven't.
556
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000
And I've had some down stuff that I had to overcome.
557
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,000
But you still, you always saw the positive.
558
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,000
I think that's my call, but I'm going to deny it right now.
559
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000
Thank you.
560
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000
Since I'm doing a podcast right now.
561
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,000
The thing is, I think it's what's...
562
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000
I don't know what you just did, but you didn't turn it off.
563
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000
I put it voicemail, so it was going to my voicemail.
564
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000
No, it actually said waiting.
565
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000
It's a weird thing.
566
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000
I've never seen that before.
567
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000
I know, very heavy.
568
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
That's what I'm saying.
569
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000
I think it's a consumer cellular thing.
570
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,000
We're old people's way of consumer cellular.
571
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,000
But anyway, now you made me lose my train of thought.
572
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000
Sorry.
573
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000
Oh my gosh.
574
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000
I'm going to be messed up now.
575
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000
I know, it's okay.
576
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Okay, I got you all fixed up.
577
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000
You're good to go.
578
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000
Thank you.
579
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Thank you so much.
580
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Phone's back in service.
581
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,000
Whatever you hit.
582
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:06,000
I think because when you became a Christian, you really...
583
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:13,000
It's crazy because I've had to change over time drastically to overcome things.
584
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,000
But you haven't because God already put His heart in you.
585
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000
And you just needed...
586
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,000
I guess you just needed a standard.
587
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,000
You needed the Bible.
588
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,000
You needed that in your life to give you a standard rather than just the values that
589
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000
your parents gave you.
590
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000
Does that make sense?
591
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,000
Yeah, it does.
592
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,000
It kind of reminds me, we watched a wonderful, wonderful podcast interview with...
593
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000
It was actually Jordan Peterson's program.
594
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,000
He was interviewing Greg Lorry from Jesus Revolution.
595
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000
He's a pastor, 72 years old and still going strong.
596
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000
He's so healthy.
597
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000
He looks amazing.
598
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Yeah.
599
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000
I mean, he's like still going strong.
600
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000
And he pastors Calvary Chapel Church.
601
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,000
And he was part of the Jesus Revolution, the Jesus movement in California.
602
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Which the movie was based on his life.
603
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Yeah, Jesus Revolution.
604
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,000
So Jordan Peterson watched the movie, was fascinated by it and reached out to Pastor
605
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Greg Lorry and...
606
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Had him on his show.
607
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000
Lorry, I always get it.
608
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000
Lorry.
609
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Lorry.
610
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000
And had him on his show.
611
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
And it was a phenomenal interview.
612
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
It was like an hour and 45 minutes and we watched the whole thing.
613
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000
We did.
614
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000
I hardly blinked.
615
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000
You know me.
616
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000
I know.
617
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000
I don't sit there for that long.
618
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000
No.
619
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
I have to get up and move around.
620
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
I was all in.
621
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000
It was so good.
622
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000
It was that good.
623
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,000
And I can relate a little bit to a story not from his past in terms of having a rough upbringing.
624
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,000
He had a very difficult time with his mother and abandoned by his fathers.
625
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,000
All seven of them.
626
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Gosh.
627
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
You know, rough, rough go.
628
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Which led him into the hippie drug culture of the 60s and 70s right around 1970.
629
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,000
My story wasn't quite that like that.
630
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000
But the transformation when Jesus came into my life was.
631
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000
Well, it's because again, you didn't grow up in church.
632
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Neither did Greg Lorry.
633
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
He didn't go until he was 17.
634
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,000
You were 17 before you went to church.
635
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Almost 18.
636
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000
And so you can relate to that.
637
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000
You didn't have that in your background.
638
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000
I didn't have to overcome a lot of the pain, the trauma.
639
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
I'm very blessed in that.
640
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000
So that's been very helpful.
641
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000
And of course, that shapes your worldview.
642
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
You don't look at the world as a scary place.
643
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,000
You look at it as there's scary people and there's scary situations.
644
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000
But that doesn't make the whole world bad.
645
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000
So yeah, that did shape and does continue to shape my worldview.
646
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Even in the craziness that's happening now, I still just have great hope.
647
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
I really do.
648
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000
Which I align more with Kirk Cameron on that because Kirk Cameron is all about,
649
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
hey, let's not lose hope.
650
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,000
While we're here on this earth, let's bring it to a better place.
651
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Whereas some Christians have said, oh no, we're in the last of the last days.
652
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
It's got to get worse before it gets better.
653
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000
And so they sell out to this negative mentality of, well, then don't try to make it better.
654
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Just let it go bad.
655
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
That way Jesus will come back quicker.
656
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
I mean, it's insane.
657
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
It is.
658
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000
And so I'm more in line with Kirk on that of saying, no, no, no, no.
659
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:25,000
While we're here on our watch, we have a responsibility to bring the kingdom of God here now.
660
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Anyway, that really impacted my life.
661
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000
So I really related to Greg in that sense as he was talking about.
662
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000
He had very, very quick exponential growth in his faith.
663
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
He had Chuck Smith who came along and mentored in my head.
664
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Great man of God.
665
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
I had Pastor Kim Norwood and others.
666
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000
He was a mentor to me, a pastor.
667
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Pastor Hank Scott.
668
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Along the way, God always put people on my path to mentor me.
669
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Which I never had that.
670
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,000
I had a few Sunday school teachers when I was young, but when I was older, I did not have a mentor.
671
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000
I will say this.
672
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
I chased them.
673
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
I learned how to chase early on.
674
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
And I didn't know how to do that.
675
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000
So I really wasn't mentored until you and I got married.
676
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
I get that.
677
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000
And I think a part of that too is I was an athlete growing up, so I always had coaches in my life.
678
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000
So you knew how to...
679
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000
I knew how to pursue.
680
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,000
If I wanted to play, I knew I needed to get that coach's attention, which means I needed to be in his orbit.
681
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Well, you even pursued your college dean so that you got a free ride to college because you pursued the person
682
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:31,000
that was in charge of giving out the scholarships, and you made sure that they knew you were serious about college,
683
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
and you needed scholarships.
684
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000
I know. I couldn't have done it otherwise, especially going to a private college.
685
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,000
But again, this goes back to your character and your values.
686
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000
It really does.
687
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000
And you know what's valuable, and so you're going to pursue whatever it takes.
688
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Again, credit to my parents for teaching me to...
689
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000
Gosh. It's huge.
690
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,000
To chase what... To go after what you believe you need.
691
00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Fortunately, as a Christian, it was very shaped and formed by Scripture and the Bible and the right things.
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I think had I not have become a Christian, I would have different motives.
693
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It would have been more about me.
694
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So let me say this.
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As we were watching Jordan Peterson and Pastor Greg Lowry, Jordan has read the Bible over and over.
696
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He knows the Scripture.
697
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He's written books about it.
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He's not a Christian yet, but look at who he's pursuing.
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He's pursuing a lot of godly, especially pastors, but godly men and women and having them on his show.
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It's like he is so searching for who God really...
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He knows the Word.
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He knows the Scripture, but he doesn't know Jesus personally.
703
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But look at what he's doing.
704
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He's doing the same thing you did.
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00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,000
You pursued everyone that had a godly relationship because you wanted that from God.
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And that's what Jordan Peterson is doing.
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He is right on the cusp of becoming a Christian.
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00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000
That was what was so fascinating about watching that yesterday,
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is he was listening to every word of Pastor Greg's testimony,
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and then he was breaking it apart and asking him those hard questions.
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Well, how did you know?
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How did you know this when you did this?
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How did you know?
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That was really interesting.
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I would recommend people, especially if you know who Greg Lowry is or you know who Jordan Peterson is,
716
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who is a psychologist out of Canada.
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He's brilliant.
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He's with the Daily Wire.
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He is phenomenal.
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In fact, he was the reason why we went on Carnivore.
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Yeah, we watched him on Joe Rogan,
722
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talking about his daughter who had so many conditions healed.
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00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Healed from that.
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And then he and his wife both went on it, and now all three of them have been on it for years.
725
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And now his daughter has kind of gone more keto, which is kind of what I've done.
726
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,000
But man, he's brilliant.
727
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
He is a brilliant man.
728
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
In fact, he goes over our head a lot.
729
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
We're like, what did he just say?
730
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Even last night, I looked at you and I said, I have no idea what he's talking about.
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00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
And we looked at Greg Lowry and we went, he's probably saying the same thing.
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I have no idea what you're saying.
733
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
So let me just reiterate what I just said.
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And maybe it was amazing.
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I think it's hysterical, actually.
736
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That was a great interview.
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And what I loved about it is Greg was so, you could tell his whole task for being there was to show who Christ is
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because he wants Jordan Peterson to have that relationship, that it's not about the head knowledge.
739
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It's about the heart.
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Because that's where Jordan Peterson has a hard time because he's so about knowledge and the head knowledge.
741
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
But it's hard for him to understand through the heart.
742
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And that's why a lot of people who have head knowledge, they think they're Christians,
743
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but it hasn't connected to their heart.
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So they don't know how to live for him on a daily basis.
745
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You've heard me say this over and over.
746
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Sorry to interrupt.
747
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No, no, you're good.
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It's an insertion point.
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You're talking about the 18 inches?
750
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Yes.
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I said it again on Sunday and somebody came to me and said, oh my gosh, that was huge for me.
752
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You said it Sunday?
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Or maybe it was last Wednesday.
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It was one last Wednesday when I taught on faith.
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I said I would hate to miss heaven by 18 inches because there's a difference between a head knowledge,
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which is called mental ascent, where you kind of, you know in your head these things,
757
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but you've never made the leap, the 18 inch leap from the heart, so the center of your head,
758
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brain to the center of average man is 18 inches.
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And I just said I'd hate to miss heaven by 18 inches.
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By 18 inches.
761
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And that's so true.
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And so I look at what Jordan's doing.
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Now he's doing the right things.
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He's a thinker.
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Man, is he a thinker.
766
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He's an analyzer.
767
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He has to do this.
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So in a way that's just, he's wired this way.
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I think he's so near the kingdom.
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I did read a little bit about his wife.
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She is a believer.
772
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She's a Christian.
773
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,000
She's pursuing Catholicism as a born again believer because she likes the symbolism and
774
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all the iconoclasticism.
775
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She loves all that.
776
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
And that's totally awesome, totally legitimate.
777
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But she's pursuing Jesus.
778
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
She even has podcasts that have spiritual.
779
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Which I think that's probably why he's on the pursuit because he sees something in her.
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And I would say it would be hard for someone that's so highly intellectual to, I remember
781
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Norm Porman.
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00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,000
Angel and Norm Porman were friends of ours in Abilene.
783
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They were in our church for a time.
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And I remember she's real just out there artsy, just lover of the world.
785
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And he is so highly intelligent.
786
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He's a dentist in Abilene.
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He's analytical.
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Very analytical.
789
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And he wasn't getting it.
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He would come to church but he just wasn't getting it.
791
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And he was driving hard.
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He wanted what she had and what we had.
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And then the next time I saw him after we moved away and I saw him, he was a whole different
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person because it finally clicked with him.
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And I remember I went to the dentist office and we got in a circle with some of the employees
796
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and it was Angel and Norm.
797
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And he was praying heaven down.
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He was saying things that I have never heard come out of his mouth.
799
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And I thought he finally connected it.
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This is Jordan Peterson.
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It's going to, this is even last night as we were watching this episode, I was praying,
802
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Lord, just connect it, connect it, connect it.
803
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Because he's so on the cusp of being a solid Christian because he knows so much.
804
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I can't imagine if he can really get that relationship to where he is really depending
805
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000
on God instead of what, you know, just the scriptures, what will happen.
806
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
He could be an amazing preacher.
807
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Doesn't mean he has to be in a pulpit, but where he's at, where you live, work, and play,
808
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as we say.
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And I'm excited because I think that's why God keeps putting him in paths of people to
810
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help him get to that place.
811
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And some people need a little bit more help.
812
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But I also prayed this, just like I prayed, you know, I've been praying for the
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administration and I've been praying for the upcoming and for the prior
814
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administration, praying for a visitation in the bedroom of people who don't know
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00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Christ, who need Christ.
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I did that last night.
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I said, Lord, is it going to take a visitation from Christ himself in the
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bedroom at night when you're laying there and then he appears like it's what's
819
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
happening in Ibram?
820
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Yeah, that's praying, that's asking the man in white to show up.
821
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Yes, and that's what I'm praying for Jordan Peterson.
822
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I think that's the only way he's going to really get it.
823
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
It may be.
824
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I think he's very near the kingdom.
825
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
You know, Joe Rogan's very near the kingdom.
826
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
There was a time when Russell Brand was in the same spot.
827
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
He was exploring.
828
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000
And now look at him.
829
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Now look at him.
830
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000
He's on fire.
831
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Adam Curry as well.
832
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
It's these highly intelligent that overthink everything.
833
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Yeah, super thinkers.
834
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,000
And yet, boy, when they finally step over the line, they become warriors for
835
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Jesus.
836
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
And it's the real thing.
837
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000
The real deal.
838
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,000
And they're going to go faster and stronger than we could ever go because I don't
839
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
know, it's just amazing.
840
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000
I think we all have our callings, our lanes that we're called to run in, and we
841
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,000
run well in our lane and we're faithful with what God gave us.
842
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000
So it's not really farther, stronger, longer.
843
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000
It's none of that.
844
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000
It's more you being faithful to the call of God in your life.
845
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,000
It may be very different than a Russell Brand or a Jordan Peterson.
846
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,000
But God's doing something amazing among people that we would call influencers,
847
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000
people who are famous, people, even celebrities and athletes.
848
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
And we're seeing that happen a lot across the world.
849
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000
That's exciting.
850
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000
But He's doing it grassroots as well.
851
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
I mean, on college campuses and all over the world.
852
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000
God is moving.
853
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:13,000
We had 38 people stand up on Sunday after an altar call that Pastor Brian gave of
854
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,000
people that want to be totally immersed in God, like give it all.
855
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000
38 people stood up, stood up in church.
856
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Adults.
857
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,000
We're not talking children.
858
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
There were no children in the sanctuary.
859
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,000
It was all older adults that are saying, you know what, I'm ready to just step in
860
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,000
all the way.
861
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
And that was huge.
862
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000
To me, we have revival.
863
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,000
We already have it.
864
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
It's not coming.
865
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000
It's here.
866
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
It's here.
867
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
And I think it's happening all across the globe.
868
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000
And we just need to open up our eyes and see it.
869
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000
There it is.
870
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
It's for those who have, Jesus would use this phrase, for those who have ears to hear.
871
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000
But there's also those who have eyes to see and then a heart to know.
872
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,000
I mean, it's so important that we live our lives with eyes wide open, ears wide open,
873
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000
our spirit wide open so that we can recognize the activity of God, the movement of God,
874
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
and then join Him in His work.
875
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:13,000
And it's a simple principle, obviously, from the study experiencing God by Henry Blackaby.
876
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Rest in peace.
877
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,000
But Henry Blackaby wrote the study and the premise of it was you look to see where God
878
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,000
is working.
879
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:27,000
When you recognize it's at His activity, it's His invitation to join Him in His work.
880
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Which is why I see our church growing because we're not only preaching the gospel on Sundays.
881
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:41,000
We not only have a freedom in Christ ministry that's going on Tuesday nights.
882
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
We have a discipleship on Wednesdays.
883
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
And our discipleship program on Wednesday nights is so strong.
884
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,000
It is like, I was just talking to Wendy Hearn about it and she said, you know, when you're
885
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,000
a realtor, you take realtor classes, but then when you want to go deeper, you take GRI classes.
886
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
She said, it's like taking a GRI classes.
887
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000
And it's really in depth and it's intense.
888
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
And she said, that's what this is.
889
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000
And she said, it is phenomenal.
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And what we're seeing is the people that are going to that, their eyes are being open,
891
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,000
their hearts are being open, and their ears are open to hear and know how to take this
892
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,000
life that God has given us and take it out there beyond the walls of the church, beyond
893
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000
the walls of your house and live it out.
894
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
We don't have a lot of time.
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I mean, we're 62 years old and, you know, they say if you get to 72, you're doing pretty well.
896
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I mean, that's kind of, I mean, think about it.
897
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The older we get, the more that are dropping around us that are our age.
898
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I've got several friends that have been through strokes and heart attacks recently.
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And boys, they came very close to the brink of death, my age and younger.
900
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And so that's why it's really important to walk this, our faith out.
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00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
That's what faith is.
902
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Faith without works is dead.
903
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
And we have to walk it out.
904
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It doesn't mean that we're doing works to get saved.
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We're already saved.
906
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
We're doing works out of pleasure because we want the pleasure of God.
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00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,000
I also like and this is something my coaches would say, that is run through the tape.
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Finish the race strong.
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Don't come up short.
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00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Don't pull up short.
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Finish strong.
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And I feel like that's where we're at.
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We're in our in-game kick, whatever.
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It could be another 20, 30 years, but it is still in the back half of our life.
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So I want to run through the tape, finish strong.
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I want to take as many people to heaven with me as I can.
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That's what I live for.
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Because God doesn't want to come back until everybody has called on his name.
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And that's not going to happen, but they will.
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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
When he does come back, everyone will know.
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And when he comes back, it'll be on his terms, his timing.
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We can do our best to interpret what that looks like through the scripture.
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00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
But at the end of the day, it's on him.
924
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
But in the meantime, we have lots of work to do.
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00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Yes, we do.
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Beautiful. Beautiful.
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Before we go, I want you to talk about Hello Fred.
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Oh, wonderful.
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What does Fred stand for?
930
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One of my favorite topics right now.
931
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000
And what does Fred stand for?
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So Hello Fred is part of an embed tool that you can get on your computer, your phone,
933
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
your tablet called the Godcaster.
934
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Adam Curry and a team of two other, one a developer, another one who owns a company,
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they've gotten together and they have developed this amazing, amazing,
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I guess you could call it a widget.
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You can drop it in on your web page.
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You can just go to the website.
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Hellofred.com.
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No, HelloFred.fm.
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And you can get the sample there.
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And Hello Fred is Hello Fredericksburg.
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Fredericksburg, Texas.
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And what they have done is they've created an outlet and an opportunity,
945
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an on-ramp, I would call it, so that any church or organization
946
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
can literally have their own 24-7 radio station.
947
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But instead of broadcasting off of a tower over the airwaves,
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it broadcasts over the internet.
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It sounds phenomenal.
950
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000
It works phenomenally.
951
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It's an amazing thing to look into.
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And so if you're a church, if you're a pastor, you're part of a church
953
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,000
and you're listening to this podcast, check out Hello Fred.
954
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Go HelloFred.fm.
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00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Pull that up and you'll see just the one we've developed to show everybody.
956
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You can go to our website at bridgefbg.com, bridgefbg.com.
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Scroll down about halfway and you'll see the Godcaster there.
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00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
You can click on Hello Fred, which is Hello Fredericksburg.
959
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000
It's local.
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00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,000
We have local news.
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We have local, this is what's happening in our city council.
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00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,000
This is what's happening in the Market Plot, the park.
963
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Things are going on in our church.
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00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000
We run our announcement reel and then we play music 24-7,
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00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Christian music on ours.
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00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Check it out again, bridgefbg.com, and check out the Godcaster.
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Let it blast through your house.
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It's amazing.
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00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
What I love about it, I just pulled it up, HelloFred.fm,
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00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
and it's got a widget that says Hello Fred.
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00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
You click on that and you have 24-hour music.
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00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
It's all worship music.
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00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Then it has your devotions are kind of spread throughout.
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Yeah, the daily grind.
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00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Yeah, which is great.
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00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Some announcements as to what's going on in Fred,
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like December 7th, there's a big Christmas event
978
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
that's put on that you're part of, Adam Curry is part of,
979
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Trey Blocker started it.
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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000
It gives you the announcements of what's happening in your community.
981
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
We're the guinea pig, I guess.
982
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
We're the tester, the beta tester.
983
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Any community can do this or any church can do this.
984
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
On our church, we have certain podcasts on there that we listen to
985
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000
that are informing us as we preach or as we speak or whatever.
986
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
The one from Hello Fred is for Fredericksburg,
987
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,000
but I notice he's got Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.
988
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
He's got a Marriage podcast with Jim Daly on here.
989
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:26,000
He's got the American Campfire Revival with Kirk Cameron, his podcast.
990
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,000
He's got our church on here, our website.
991
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000
He's got your podcast with...
992
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000
You must be looking at HelloFred.com.
993
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,000
I am,.fm.
994
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
.fm, I know.
995
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000
I'm looking at your interview podcast with Craig Weinberg,
996
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Our Living Up in the Down World, Curry and the Keeper,
997
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
and this is for Fredericksburg.
998
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Love that.
999
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000
So anybody who has something that obviously has the values,
1000
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
godly values, he would put on here.
1001
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
And I love it.
1002
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
It's great.
1003
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Oh, this is cool.
1004
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
He's made it very cost effective for people to have.
1005
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Oh man, for an organization.
1006
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Oh, it's fantastic.
1007
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000
We don't listen to any other radio or anything anymore
1008
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
because Hello Fred is 24-7 music.
1009
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
And if we want to listen to a podcast, we can click on it.
1010
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,000
And we have a say so in the music that's on there.
1011
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,000
That's the beauty of it.
1012
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000
You can customize it for your own church, your own organization.
1013
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,000
So if your church only wants hymns or gospel oriented type music,
1014
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,000
you can do that.
1015
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000
You can build that out.
1016
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000
We prefer, we like it all.
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00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Yeah.
1018
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Ours is much more upbeat, contemporary.
1019
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,000
We have a few things from the 80s and 90s and early 2000s,
1020
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,000
but I'd say 80% of it is more current.
1021
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
And so it's very cool, very uplifting.
1022
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
The whole point is to help people live up in a down world.
1023
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Not as our podcast, but just literally that.
1024
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
We want to help people live up.
1025
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
And this gives you a shot in the arm.
1026
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000
I keep it going in my car.
1027
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
We've got it going at the house.
1028
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000
We have Sonos at the house and we've got it going over our Sonos.
1029
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000
24-7.
1030
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
It's going right now while we're here.
1031
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Well, not while we're sleeping, obviously.
1032
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000
No, but right now while we're here at the office.
1033
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,000
So anyway, check it out again, hellofred.fm.
1034
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
So hey, thanks for joining us today.
1035
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000
We do have two thank yous.
1036
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Right. I'm not through.
1037
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Oh, okay. Sorry.
1038
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000
I just want to make sure.
1039
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000
I'm not done.
1040
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Okay.
1041
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
I was just saying thank you everybody for listening to us.
1042
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,000
And a couple of other things is go to livingupinadownworld.com.
1043
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000
That's our website that has all of our podcasts on there.
1044
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,000
And you can go back and look at all the blogs under the blog tab.
1045
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,000
It's the Daily Grind short Devo's just to help you along with your day
1046
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
covering every topic imaginable.
1047
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
And those are all archived on there.
1048
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
And then you can always leave us a note.
1049
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000
You can write us a note.
1050
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
You can ask us questions.
1051
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
You can leave a review.
1052
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,000
And you can also subscribe so that you get an email just letting you know
1053
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,000
when the next podcast is coming out or if it already has.
1054
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
So be sure and do that.
1055
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
So we do have a couple of people to thank here.
1056
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000
I've actually got it pulled up, babe.
1057
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Randy Black, I want to say thank you for giving to us
1058
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
and sewing Satoshi's into us.
1059
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
He gave us some boostograms.
1060
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
And then also Sir Bia's Grace, sending and helping.
1061
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,000
But we also have some others that have donated online through PayPal
1062
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
on our website.
1063
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Yes, Trey Blocker donated.
1064
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Big thanks to Trey.
1065
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,000
James Baring's every little bit.
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00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Thanks, James.
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00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000
You're a blessing to us.
1068
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000
And then Nancy.
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00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
I'm looking to see what hers is.
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00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Hold on.
1071
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Hers is a strap.
1072
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
It's Nancy.
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00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
It's something I have to look at.
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00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000
I don't know who she is, but...
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00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
But thank you, Nancy.
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00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Her name is Nancy, obviously.
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It is.
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And she, what I love, is giving us yearly.
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She pays a yearly subscription.
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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
That's beautiful.
1081
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
It's just beautiful.
1082
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
It really is.
1083
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
That's awesome.
1084
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
It's just beautiful.
1085
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Now, Eric P.P., I don't think I gave him a shout out from the week before,
1086
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000
but just so appreciate you giving us the boost.
1087
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
We just really, really appreciate it.
1088
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
We have so many amazing people that we've gotten to connect with.
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00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Of course, we got to go to a Noagin to meet up a few weeks ago.
1090
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Just so neat meeting people, and they already know who we are,
1091
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000
which is just mind-bending.
1092
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
They talk about us on their show.
1093
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
We appreciate that, Adam and Tina Curry.
1094
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Check out Curry and the Keeper as well.
1095
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
So, hey, God bless you.
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00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
We love you.
1097
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000
We were trying to land 30 minutes, and we didn't.
1098
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
We hit 46.
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00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Oh, wow.
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00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000
You're on fire.
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00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
I am.
1102
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Well, it's our anniversary.
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00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
I know.
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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
It's a great day.
1105
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
I have to honor you.
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00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
So, you're over what happened 32 years ago?
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00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
I think I'll stick with you.
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00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Okay, all right, so I'll be okay.
1109
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
I'm all right for another 32.
1110
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000
You good for another three decades?
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00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Three decades?
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00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Three decades.
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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000
I know it's crazy.
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Wow.
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00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,000
I can't imagine.
1116
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
All right, baby girl.
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00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
We are out of here.
1118
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Keep living up in the down world.
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00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,000
We love you guys, and it's just a pleasure to do this.
1120
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,000
And have an amazing week on purpose.
1121
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
We love you.
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00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:19,000
We love you.
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Thank you.
