Feb. 28, 2024
"Does God Really Need Me?"
Join Jimmy and Annette as they discuss this important question, "Does God really need me?" Be sure and subscribe to our brief Living Up Newsletter at livingupinadownworld.com.
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and we'll be right back.
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Don't get down
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when you're seeing the worst
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cause the last will be the first
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What a day I'm telling you
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all things will be new
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living up in a down world
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Yeah we're living, yeah we're living
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living up in a down world
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Oh
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This is Jimmy Nenette
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and we are coming to you
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from the BCS
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living up in a down world studios
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in the heart of the Texas Hill country
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Bridge Church, Fredericksburg
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My name is Jimmy and
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This is Annette
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and you are stunning
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No, I'm not, this is Annette
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I am Annette
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I know
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You're stunning in that hot pink sweater
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Well it's cold today
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It's a sweater day, what happened?
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We're gonna have, we've had 90 degree weather
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Yeah it was 90 yesterday
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and so today it's 50
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and I'm like, okay
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It's Texas for you
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Well tomorrow I think is supposed to be in the 50s
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so I get two sweater days
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and then I'm back to wearing shorts and tank tops
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in February
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Flip flops, I know, crazy
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Very odd, very odd
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It's just all over the map
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It is
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But you know, I learned this
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when we lived in Tennessee
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people in Tennessee say the same thing
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well it's Tennessee weather for you
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Everybody does it
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But they really do have four seasons
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They do
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unlike Texas
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They do, but anywhere it can be different
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But our four seasons are in one day
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Yeah, true
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Hey, welcome to living up in a down world
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This is episode number 55
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and we are so glad you joined us today
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We're gonna kind of jump right in
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I mean we've had some great things happen
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I may or may not share that
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We're also on a little bit of a timetable here
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We have a staff meeting this morning
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It's 8.44 a.m. and we have a staff meeting at 9.30
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It's kind of 9.15-ish
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It's gonna be a long day
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Yes
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So anyway, we hit the ground running this morning
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so we have morning voices
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and we both have coffee
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Oh my gosh, Black Rifle coffee
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I'm happy
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Mine's leaded, yours is unleaded though
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I love Black Rifle
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Now you brought up Black Rifle coffee
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to our church Sunday
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I did
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But Rick Green of the Patriot Academy was there
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and he's developed his own coffee
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and he has not given me any yet
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I'm ready for him
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He says it's better
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When he gives us some
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So when he gives us some
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I think I'm gonna have to bring it back up to him
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because you're gonna keep talking about Black Rifle coffee
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Hey Rick, if you hear this bro
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we need, show us the money
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Bring some coffee
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Because you will be talking about it every week
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I think we should start
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Well, I don't want to start having Black Rifle coffee
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at the church on a Sunday morning
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because we do give out coffee without trying his
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to see if we might want to use his coffee
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We'll see, we'll see
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We'll give it a shot
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I'm open
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We just got a donation
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From, for what?
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For our Living Up and a Down Road
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Just came on my phone
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Oh wow, wow, very cool
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Well thank you for whoever did that
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I'll see if I can find it
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Julie Herbert just now
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Oh, Julie's so awesome
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Just now, so sweet
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We do have some people to thank
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We'll do that later
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But as we get started, you and I were having a conversation yesterday
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Well, actually it was
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Was it Monday?
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It was a few days ago
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What is today?
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This is Wednesday
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We were talking about how
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We, God really doesn't need us
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because he can kind of do whatever he wants
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And here's why I said that
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So we were on a Zoom call with the Bishop
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a couple weeks ago, week and a half
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And he just made a comment about how in Muslim nations right now
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that the Holy Spirit, an image of Jesus
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is showing up in people's rooms
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I think I shared this last week
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Is it like a dream or is it like they see this apparition?
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No, they actually, an apparition you mean?
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Apparition, sorry
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Apparition, that's okay
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I just took out my aligner so my mouth is funky
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So they actually see an image of a man dressed in white
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like a robe, a white
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He's standing
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So it's not a vision or a dream
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This is seeing
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They really see
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They're seeing
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Yeah, but anyway
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They can't tangibly touch
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I know, I'm not in those bedrooms
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So I just know that it's a miraculous appearance of some kind
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It's happening all over the world right now
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not just by the thousands but by the millions
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Which is crazy
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This is one of the international bishops of the
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Anglican Church
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Anglican Church who shared this with us
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He served in Muslim countries his whole life
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He's 74 years old and he's still doing great work right now
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He's not retiring, he's refiring
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I mean he's still going
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And he was telling you and I that it's exciting because Jesus is literally showing up
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And what happens is these people who don't have any reference point for Christ are finding other people
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And they're led to Christians and saying who is this man in white who came to me and said come follow me
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Even quoting
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It blows my mind
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Those words which are it's a rabbinic saying the rabbis would pick their disciples and say come follow me the chosen
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Which poses the question
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You know we say we have to go which we do we need to go to every nation and preach Jesus
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But those nations that don't have anybody
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They don't we don't have to I mean it's not like God can't do the same thing in those nations that they've never
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Where they've never even heard of God
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I mean he can do whatever he wants
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The passage you're referring to is the great commission where Jesus said
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And Jesus came and spoke to them saying all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth
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Verse 19 go therefore and make disciples of all the nations
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Baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all things
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That I have commanded you and though I'm with you always even to the end of the age amen
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So that's the show up but we need to go disciple them think about that
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So here's the thing the question is does God need us or does God desire us
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Yeah, okay, so about that word happened was you and I were talking about
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God really doesn't need us but then I
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As we go to the gym on Monday
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Pull up a recent message from Robert Morris and it's titled God needs us and I'm like, okay
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That's interesting. This was he preached this two weeks ago in Houston at his Gateway Church in Houston
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And so I'm listening to it and he he
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Talks about how God really does need how he had a conversation with God and said you really don't need us
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You look at what you've created and God says no
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I really do need you but I'm I switch to that word because I like the word desire
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Yeah, God desires us. So I think it's when he was saying I really do need you
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It's not that I need you to get the work done. It's I need you as I created you because I need you I want you
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And I want you to partner with me because everything about our Christian walk has to do with partnering with Christ
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That's right. That's why he created man to partner with us biblical word is co-labor
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Yes, the scripture says that we are co-labors in Christ and the word co-labor means to co-labor
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To labor together or cooperate like elaborate. Yeah, collaborate means co-labor
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So we co-labor with him we cooperate with him and it's a privilege in the fact that he wants us
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Yes to join him in the work. He wants us he wants to share it because it is a privilege when we get to
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Share our faith with others not in a like throw it in your face call you out
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But literally the joy of sharing something is so changed my life
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I remember when Adam Curry was on Joe Rogan last year and he just said hey, let me tell you something
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He wanted to share something with Joe and he said hey, I want to share something with you
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It's absolutely changed my life. This has changed my life
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Why we should be saying this to everyone? Well, I love it because Adam without any prompting or
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Taking an evangelism course or study just he's like I have good news and because I have good news
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And this has changed my life. I have to share it. I gave my life to Jesus Christ
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Let me share it to about a million people or so. Yes on online because that thing went viral
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It was crazy. It was insane. It went viral and to even more than that and he got to share his faith with
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Millions of people but he did it so purely and it wasn't like throwing a Bible in your face or judging you
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It was just let me tell you what has changed my life. In fact, it's not a what it's a who and that's that's what
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God wants us to share in the joy of that and I love it to help somebody
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Joe Rogan was like well expound on that. Tell me what happened. Very cool about it. And to me that
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We need to have that boldness. Here he is a brand new Christian learning about Christ
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Learning about what what it means to follow him and he couldn't wait to get on his show
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He knew he was gonna do it. Tina was terrified because he knew he told her on his way there
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I'm going to share what I know of the gospel what happened to me and she's scared to death because she's afraid of all the backlash
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Right and and doesn't know really how Joe Rogan is gonna take it but he has the courage and yet we as Christians who are
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living trusting in Christ are so afraid to speak up about what has changed in our life because it's a hope we have
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So what does that say about people who have been Christians so long that their Christianity has become boring to them or it's become familiar to them
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To the point where they're not excited about telling other people about it anymore. Whoa, that's scary. Do you think
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Okay, so we fast forwarded to his the end of Robert's message as we were driving here. That's why we're hot off the press
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Just listening and he talked about that story that happened. I want you to share that story
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Yeah, well because he talked about trusting versus believing. Yeah, and I'm gonna go into deep in the weeds
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So I'll give you the short version of it is there was a man who was going to do a high wire act across a large
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Was it a river? Niagara Falls or something some crazy like that. Yes, and he was he was a professional and he said
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And he talked to the crowd and he said do you believe I can do this and they were like, yeah
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We believe because he'd done these amazing feats before and he says do you trust me that I can do this
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We would trust you can do that and he says so who will go with me if you trust me carry
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Who will let me carry you across and everybody the whole crowd went silent except for one man
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He was a British man and he said I trust you and I believe and he literally carried that man across
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That's that large expanse on a wire at the peril of their lives
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But that man trusted him and he trusted him because he'd seen him do if we knew he could do it
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But he was the only one everyone else believed but only one trusted so that
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Question because the Bible says the demons believe yeah in book of James. Yes
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But do we so they believe in Trimble, but they don't trust so to be a Christian is not
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We take that word belief like well, I believe that watermelon is gonna be good. I believe you know this movie
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I'm gonna watch is good. I believe
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I believe you know that I'm gonna have a good day whatever right there's a big difference massive believing and trusting
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There's an eternal difference between believing and trusting because it does it says the demons believe in Trimble
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But they don't know the truth that sets them free just because you believe doesn't mean you know so how many people
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Believe they're Christians, but they don't really trust so do they really believe that's it
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That's it. It really comes back to me hard. It comes back to trust what I love what pastor Robert did
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He's preaching to a group of people probably about down down in Katy, Texas
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Yeah, and he asked the question and he has everybody, you know bow their heads and close your eyes
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Do you really trust how many of you have believed at one time?
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You may be even have gotten sprinkled or baptized or whatever
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But you really don't know now after listening to this message after listening to it fully what it means
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Can honestly say I don't know if I'm saved and he said hands went up everywhere
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That's what scares me not for me because I know I believe I trust I adhere trust means to adhere to
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Here if you think about adhering me think I love how you always use tape or you use duct tape and how you can't pull it apart
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If you stick two pieces of duct tape together you will shred them you'll destroy them before you pull them apart because they literally meld
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Weld together. Yes, and they become one chemically. That's just the way that adhesive is designed
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That's how it is with us and Jesus. We can't how many of us have that kind of trust?
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It's called oneness with Christ. We are one with him and literally become melded to him and cannot be pulled apart
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And so those of you that are listening, this is a strong word, but it's so important and it could literally be
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People's eternity their their destiny is hanging in the balance because a lot of people believe Jesus in a casual way
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Great rabbi, but here's the deal. Do you trust him with your very life?
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Do you trust him enough to get on his back and let him walk you across the highway?
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Do you trust him enough to tell other people about him?
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Incapable of sharing their faith. I just have to ask an honest question. Are they truly believers?
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Believing believers or do they just believe from a distance or don't trust are they are they thinking? Well, you're a pastor
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You know that just got saved none whatsoever. We have the same calling. Yeah, we're supposed to do the same things and
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We don't get saved and then like you say swing in a hammock on a beautiful sunny day
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Over at Oak Hills Church in San Antonio Max Lucado's church and I titled it putting the go in the gospel. Yes
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I'll never forget that message. Putting the go in the gospel and it's and it was along the same line that
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No, he already tells us what I need to ask God if this is really what is what is God's will for my life?
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That's a huge question. Probably one of the most asked questions either out loud or just thought in
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In most believers mine wrong question. What is the wrong question? What do you do when you ask the wrong question?
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You're gonna get the wrong answer. There it is. Go there for and make disciples of all the nations interesting. It doesn't say make converts
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Get up off our blessed assurance and go and to make disciples. That means we have a responsibility to help people become apprentices
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What what is the what does it mean to walk in faith? Yeah. Oh love that and what's the juxtaposition between government and and faith?
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Yes, what about the intersection of what does it mean to walk in spiritual gifts to to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
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It's gonna be comprehensive. I'm I'm more stoked about this than I am Sunday mornings and I love your Sunday mornings
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Thank you, sweetie. I can't get enough. I mean I listen to all three messages. I mean all three. You get to activate your teaching gift
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I'm really excited because this is basic foundation. Yes, that's gonna help people
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To present it to others. So back to our original statement. Does God need us?
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He needs us. He loves us and he desires us. He wants us to co-labor with him. Yes. Yes. To put the goal in the gospel
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I love the word desire. Love the word desire. It's what I have for you. Oh and me for you. I really mean that. I desire you
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He didn't create someone that he said okay Adam look at what I've created. Look at the expansion of the sky
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The mind of Christ. We just have to tap into it and appropriate it don't we? That word appropriates huge in the Christian faith
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It literally means you actually receive a gift but you actually activate and use the gift. Listen we've got people to thank
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This is a killer conversation. This is amazing because it's so important. Even talking about it with you just now
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Here on the podcast. My faith is built up. I'm encouraged I'm built up and I just feel stronger for even having the conversation
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For those listeners that are listening right now. God loves you. He desires you. He can do things on his own because he's God
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But he wants to partner with you. Partner with you in the gospel to get this gospel out. But not just to get it out
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But to live it out. So I have something to ask of our listeners. If you have a question about faith and a question about a faith journey
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And how do I get on the faith journey? Right in. Go to our website livingupinadoworld.com. Right there on the front page
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I think it's on every page. There's a box there where you can write us. And so right in if you have faith questions
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We want to give you the answers and if we don't know them we'll find them. I mean we're here to help you
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And all you do livingupinadoworld.com go there and subscribe to our newsletter that gives you a bump
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So that you know every week that a podcast is coming. And so we just invite you to go ahead and jump on the train with us
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Because we want to teach you and help you live up in a down world even as we're learning and growing in it as well
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And so a couple things. First of all, I want to give some thanks. Got to give a thanks for Brandy.
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Brandy gave us a generous donation. Brandy Horne, she's amazing. New believer in our church. Just got baptized not too long ago
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And she is on fire for God. I love it. Love it. She and Tina are like, well Tina actually encouraged her to come to church
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And their trajectory is unbelievable. It's so parallel. Her and Chris are amazing people. We love them.
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Got to hang out with them last week and that was amazing. Also with Trey Blocker and the Currys. Man we just had such a great
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Rick Green and Kara. Rick and Kara Green. I mean God is doing amazing things around here. So this is a note that
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Brandy wrote. She says, I love listening to the two of you share your love of the Lord and each other. I enjoy hearing what you each have to say
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It's like a second sermon midweek with a bonus with our First Lady Annette. Thank you all for doing what you do for the people in the community
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Brandy Horne. Brandy we love you and we are excited to watch your journey of faith. And we get to be a part of it.
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Yeah we got a 50 yard line seat. I mean we're right there. And then also Adam Curry. Man I want to say big thanks for Adam Curry
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As he gave a Straper Boost. $77.77. I'm trying to go too fast. He wrote this. Mullets are cool. God bless you both and all the living up.
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No they're not. You keep saying I have one. Mine's a modified version. Well you're getting your haircut tomorrow. I am. I absolutely am.
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Also a couple of things. We did a bro and sis date this last week. I just want to land on a couple of things. It was so funny first of all.
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So every time we go out together it's me and Adam talking 7,000 miles an hour about God the World and other things at one end of the table.
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And then you and Tina are talking 7,000 miles an hour on God the World and other things. So we do these bro dates and then y'all were like
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So we would keep going out with all these groups. And the Mandales. You hung out with them. Came back from Nashville.
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So we're like we need to just go hang out together alone. Like a bro date and then you were like well we want a sis date.
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So here's what we did. It was crazy. So we got together. We did it on what Tuesday night I think it was.
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But we were going to drive over to Bernie which is like 30 minutes. 25-30 minutes from our house. So they came out to our house together.
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We got in separate cars. And went to two separate restaurants. So me and Adam got in a car. You and Tina got in one of the cars.
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Drove to Bernie together and then we split off because y'all went to one restaurant. We went to another and then we met back at the house later.
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Ours was better. It probably was. Ours steak was over the top.
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Mine was good but I think you probably yeah. I think y'all hit a home run.
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It's my favorite place. Beef steak in Bernie is phenomenal. Ours was a base hit but not a home run.
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I'm going to plug beef steak in Bernie. It's my new favorite restaurant in Bernie.
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It's really great. If you're a meat eater, oh my gosh. It's meat heaven.
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So anyway we had a great time. Of course both of us. We got back. We're all buzzing because we've been talking for hours nonstop.
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But that's just such a cool time. We value those things.
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And then the last thing I want to share is I'm reading a book that has been very has really impacted me.
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It's a book by Eric. I don't have to read it because you just share it with me.
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Oh totally. I'm sharing it with the church too. Eric Metaxas wrote a book called Letter to the American Church. And if you are a pastor or a leader or spiritual leader or just you're a follower of Jesus and you want to have your eyes open to what's going on in our world right now in government and politics.
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It's not like a heavy political book. It's just talking about how the culture got to a point in the 1930s in Germany that looks very similar to our culture right now.
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And he's shooting a...it's taking a shot over the bow to say we better wake up because things are not good right now.
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Which means we as believers and followers of Jesus, apprentices of Christ, this is our time to step up, open our mouths and speak up.
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So stand up, speak up and speak out. So you're reading the book but then we found out there is a documentary. Yes and we watched that. It's kind of like the cliff notes of the book.
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Which meant I didn't have to read it. I could watch the documentary. We watched it twice. I'll watch it again. And you have to get it on epochtimes.com.
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We downloaded it. It was $9.99. It's worth every penny. We've watched it multiple times. I want to watch it again. So either get the book, The Taxes, Letter to the American Church or go and watch the documentary on epochtimes.
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It's easy. It's just a broad browser. I mean you just pull it up. So those are massively impacting me. And then Dr. Rick Scarborough's book you're reading.
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Oh, I'm reading another book by Rick Scarborough. I have the title because it's not sitting in front of me. I met with Dr. Rick Scarborough who is a huge voice from the Christian standpoint of saying we've got to bring our nation back to biblical, conservative values.
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Our founding fathers. We're pastors. Hello. Most of the signers or over half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were pastors.
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Our government right now wants to do away with all Christianity. Anything that has to do with the nuclear family.
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Well, and they do it based on the separation of church and state, which was set up by the founding fathers who were pastors.
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It was set up so that to protect the churches and Christianity from tyranny. It was to protect them from government.
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But now the government has flipped it and now they're trying to protect themselves from us. Yes. And that's wrong. It's not how it was meant to be.
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So we're returning things to their values. I'm preaching that every Sunday from the pulpit. Boy, are you calling things out.
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Yeah, I think I love that someone came to one of our pastors and said, y'all need to pray over Jimmy and Pastor Jimmy and that because they need protection because of what he's preaching in the pulpit.
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And that right there just gave it. I felt protected knowing that she brought that up.
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So we're speaking out. We're standing up and we're speaking up. And because we have to. We don't have a choice. We don't have a choice.
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As followers of Christ, we have an obligation. Yeah, we have an obligation to speak truth into the culture. We speak it with love, but we speak it firmly.
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We say what needs to be said. Absolutely. I did a sermon last week and basically the gist of it was we need to call sin, sin. We need to call spade a spade.
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And so check out that sermon. If you in others, it's called Mind Wars is the series because that's what the enemy is after the real estate.
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So excited you're doing this. So it's called Mind Wars and you go to a bridge FBG.com bridge FBG.com and you can find that you scroll down on the front page there and you can listen.
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So, wow, we blew through this podcast. Yes, we're on speed speed dial right now. So anything going out that you want to share with our friends?
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No, I think that's good. I think we've got to get to a staff meeting now. Hey, we love you guys. We love you so much.
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You go to living up in a down world bridge FBG.com and sign up because we want to stay in touch and do send us any questions about your faith journey.
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We want to help you in your walk with God. Well, that does it for today. We got a full day ahead of us. It's only nine twelve a.m.
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We've got a full day of meetings and you know what? We get to do this because we're living up in a down world. Love you, baby. Gorgeous.
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Hey, you guys have an amazing week on purpose. We are out of here.
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No, I'm not, this is Annette
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Well it's cold today
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This is episode number 55
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We're gonna kind of jump right in
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I mean we've had some great things happen
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We have a staff meeting this morning
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so we have morning voices
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Oh my gosh, Black Rifle coffee
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I'm happy
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Mine's leaded, yours is unleaded though
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I love Black Rifle
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Now you brought up Black Rifle coffee
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to our church Sunday
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I did
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But Rick Green of the Patriot Academy was there
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and he's developed his own coffee
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and he has not given me any yet
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He says it's better
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because you're gonna keep talking about Black Rifle coffee
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Hey Rick, if you hear this bro
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we need, show us the money
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to see if we might want to use his coffee
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We just got a donation
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From, for what?
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Oh wow, wow, very cool
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Well thank you for whoever did that
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Julie Herbert just now
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Just now, so sweet
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We do have some people to thank
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We'll do that later
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But as we get started, you and I were having a conversation yesterday
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that the Holy Spirit, an image of Jesus
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is showing up in people's rooms
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Is it like a dream or is it like they see this apparition?
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No, they actually, an apparition you mean?
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Apparition, sorry
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Apparition, that's okay
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I just took out my aligner so my mouth is funky
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like a robe, a white
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not just by the thousands but by the millions
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Verse 19 go therefore and make disciples of all the nations
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Baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all things
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That I have commanded you and though I'm with you always even to the end of the age amen
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So that's the show up but we need to go disciple them think about that
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So here's the thing the question is does God need us or does God desire us
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God really doesn't need us but then I
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I really do need you but I'm I switch to that word because I like the word desire
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It's not that I need you to get the work done. It's I need you as I created you because I need you I want you
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That's right. That's why he created man to partner with us biblical word is co-labor
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Yes, the scripture says that we are co-labors in Christ and the word co-labor means to co-labor
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To labor together or cooperate like elaborate. Yeah, collaborate means co-labor
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Yes to join him in the work. He wants us he wants to share it because it is a privilege when we get to
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Share our faith with others not in a like throw it in your face call you out
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It's absolutely changed my life. This has changed my life
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Let me share it to about a million people or so. Yes on online because that thing went viral
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It was crazy. It was insane. It went viral and to even more than that and he got to share his faith with
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Millions of people but he did it so purely and it wasn't like throwing a Bible in your face or judging you
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God wants us to share in the joy of that and I love it to help somebody
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Joe Rogan was like well expound on that. Tell me what happened. Very cool about it. And to me that
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We need to have that boldness. Here he is a brand new Christian learning about Christ
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Learning about what what it means to follow him and he couldn't wait to get on his show
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He knew he was gonna do it. Tina was terrified because he knew he told her on his way there
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I'm going to share what I know of the gospel what happened to me and she's scared to death because she's afraid of all the backlash
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Right and and doesn't know really how Joe Rogan is gonna take it but he has the courage and yet we as Christians who are
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living trusting in Christ are so afraid to speak up about what has changed in our life because it's a hope we have
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So what does that say about people who have been Christians so long that their Christianity has become boring to them or it's become familiar to them
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To the point where they're not excited about telling other people about it anymore. Whoa, that's scary. Do you think
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Okay, so we fast forwarded to his the end of Robert's message as we were driving here. That's why we're hot off the press
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Just listening and he talked about that story that happened. I want you to share that story
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Yeah, well because he talked about trusting versus believing. Yeah, and I'm gonna go into deep in the weeds
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So I'll give you the short version of it is there was a man who was going to do a high wire act across a large
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Was it a river? Niagara Falls or something some crazy like that. Yes, and he was he was a professional and he said
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We believe because he'd done these amazing feats before and he says do you trust me that I can do this
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We would trust you can do that and he says so who will go with me if you trust me carry
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Who will let me carry you across and everybody the whole crowd went silent except for one man
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He was a British man and he said I trust you and I believe and he literally carried that man across
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That's that large expanse on a wire at the peril of their lives
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But do we so they believe in Trimble, but they don't trust so to be a Christian is not
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We take that word belief like well, I believe that watermelon is gonna be good. I believe you know this movie
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I'm gonna watch is good. I believe
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I believe you know that I'm gonna have a good day whatever right there's a big difference massive believing and trusting
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There's an eternal difference between believing and trusting because it does it says the demons believe in Trimble
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Believe they're Christians, but they don't really trust so do they really believe that's it
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That's it. It really comes back to me hard. It comes back to trust what I love what pastor Robert did
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He's preaching to a group of people probably about down down in Katy, Texas
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Yeah, and he asked the question and he has everybody, you know bow their heads and close your eyes
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You may be even have gotten sprinkled or baptized or whatever
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That's what scares me not for me because I know I believe I trust I adhere trust means to adhere to
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Here if you think about adhering me think I love how you always use tape or you use duct tape and how you can't pull it apart
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If you stick two pieces of duct tape together you will shred them you'll destroy them before you pull them apart because they literally meld
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That's how it is with us and Jesus. We can't how many of us have that kind of trust?
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It's called oneness with Christ. We are one with him and literally become melded to him and cannot be pulled apart
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And so those of you that are listening, this is a strong word, but it's so important and it could literally be
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People's eternity their their destiny is hanging in the balance because a lot of people believe Jesus in a casual way
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Like oh, yeah, I believe he's who he said he was not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's a good guy. He's a good great
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Great rabbi, but here's the deal. Do you trust him with your very life?
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Do you trust him enough to get on his back and let him walk you across the highway?
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Do you trust him enough to tell other people about him?
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It's we don't judge people but we do look at people's fruit the fruit of their lives and people who are
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Incapable of sharing their faith. I just have to ask an honest question. Are they truly believers?
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Believing believers or do they just believe from a distance or don't trust are they are they thinking? Well, you're a pastor
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Of course, you're gonna do this but there's there's really no difference between you as a pastor and none whatsoever
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You know that just got saved none whatsoever. We have the same calling. Yeah, we're supposed to do the same things and
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We don't get saved and then like you say swing in a hammock on a beautiful sunny day
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There's nothing left for us to do. Alright, we got saved. There is work to do. So in a real I preached a message a number of years ago
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Over at Oak Hills Church in San Antonio Max Lucado's church and I titled it putting the go in the gospel. Yes
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I'll never forget that message. Putting the go in the gospel and it's and it was along the same line that
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That Jesus says go there for he doesn't say wait wait and see if it's my will for you to do something
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No, he already tells us what I need to ask God if this is really what is what is God's will for my life?
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That's a huge question. Probably one of the most asked questions either out loud or just thought in
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In most believers mine wrong question. What is the wrong question? What do you do when you ask the wrong question?
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You're gonna get the wrong answer. There it is. Go there for and make disciples of all the nations interesting. It doesn't say make converts
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Right. It says make disciples. You can actually do that as we know. My goodness. As we found out from
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Bishop Bill and now there's a responsibility for someone who has had an encounter with Jesus whether it's that supernatural like that
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In another country or whether it's just in a conversation at Starbucks or wherever you're talking to somebody across the table and you
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Say hey, do you want to be a follower of Jesus? Yeah, I think I want to do that either way. However, that happens
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The the result is now the responsibility for us is to go but the go in the gospel
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Get up off our blessed assurance
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Get up off our blessed assurance and go and to make disciples. That means we have a responsibility to help people become apprentices
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That's something we're working on real hard here at the bridge. So for those of you if you're new to the podcast and our lead
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Passers at Bridge Church in Fredericksburg, Texas, we're developing a robust comprehensive
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Discipleship track called walking with God on the journey of discipleship and on discipleship journey
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I don't know. Discipleship journey. Yeah. Walking with God on the discipleship journey
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So anyway, we are developing this robust 17 week two semester class. I'm excited because I'm gonna actually get to teach
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What what is the what does it mean to walk in faith? Yeah. Oh love that and what's the juxtaposition between government and and faith?
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Yes, what about the intersection of what does it mean to walk in spiritual gifts to to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
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It's gonna be comprehensive. I'm I'm more stoked about this than I am Sunday mornings and I love your Sunday mornings
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Thank you, sweetie. I can't get enough. I mean I listen to all three messages. I mean all three. You get to activate your teaching gift
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I'm really excited because this is basic foundation. Yes, that's gonna help people
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To present it to others. So back to our original statement. Does God need us?
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He needs us. He loves us and he desires us. He wants us to co-labor with him. Yes. Yes. To put the goal in the gospel
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I love the word desire. Love the word desire. It's what I have for you. Oh and me for you. I really mean that. I desire you
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Every single day every day all day long can't even imagine how much more he feels for us
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He didn't create someone that he said okay Adam look at what I've created. Look at the expansion of the sky
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The stars the mountains in him go yeah. No he created a genius. He's going to create someone in his own image
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Look how dumb down we've become. I love it. He created a genius. A genius in Adam. Because he wouldn't create less than that
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To fellowship and connect with him. And sometimes we see ourselves as these terrible people. We're weak we're no good
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He sees us as amazing because he created us. And we have that capacity because we've been given what the Bible says
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The mind of Christ. We just have to tap into it and appropriate it don't we? That word appropriates huge in the Christian faith
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It literally means you actually receive a gift but you actually activate and use the gift. Listen we've got people to thank
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This is a killer conversation. This is amazing because it's so important. Even talking about it with you just now
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Here on the podcast. My faith is built up. I'm encouraged I'm built up and I just feel stronger for even having the conversation
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For those listeners that are listening right now. God loves you. He desires you. He can do things on his own because he's God
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But he wants to partner with you. Partner with you in the gospel to get this gospel out. But not just to get it out
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But to live it out. So I have something to ask of our listeners. If you have a question about faith and a question about a faith journey
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And how do I get on the faith journey? Right in. Go to our website livingupinadoworld.com. Right there on the front page
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I think it's on every page. There's a box there where you can write us. And so right in if you have faith questions
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We want to give you the answers and if we don't know them we'll find them. I mean we're here to help you
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And all you do livingupinadoworld.com go there and subscribe to our newsletter that gives you a bump
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So that you know every week that a podcast is coming. And so we just invite you to go ahead and jump on the train with us
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Because we want to teach you and help you live up in a down world even as we're learning and growing in it as well
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And so a couple things. First of all, I want to give some thanks. Got to give a thanks for Brandy.
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Brandy gave us a generous donation. Brandy Horne, she's amazing. New believer in our church. Just got baptized not too long ago
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And she is on fire for God. I love it. Love it. She and Tina are like, well Tina actually encouraged her to come to church
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And their trajectory is unbelievable. It's so parallel. Her and Chris are amazing people. We love them.
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Got to hang out with them last week and that was amazing. Also with Trey Blocker and the Currys. Man we just had such a great
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Rick Green and Kara. Rick and Kara Green. I mean God is doing amazing things around here. So this is a note that
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Brandy wrote. She says, I love listening to the two of you share your love of the Lord and each other. I enjoy hearing what you each have to say
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It's like a second sermon midweek with a bonus with our First Lady Annette. Thank you all for doing what you do for the people in the community
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Brandy Horne. Brandy we love you and we are excited to watch your journey of faith. And we get to be a part of it.
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Yeah we got a 50 yard line seat. I mean we're right there. And then also Adam Curry. Man I want to say big thanks for Adam Curry
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As he gave a Straper Boost. $77.77. I'm trying to go too fast. He wrote this. Mullets are cool. God bless you both and all the living up.
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No they're not. You keep saying I have one. Mine's a modified version. Well you're getting your haircut tomorrow. I am. I absolutely am.
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Also a couple of things. We did a bro and sis date this last week. I just want to land on a couple of things. It was so funny first of all.
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So every time we go out together it's me and Adam talking 7,000 miles an hour about God the World and other things at one end of the table.
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And then you and Tina are talking 7,000 miles an hour on God the World and other things. So we do these bro dates and then y'all were like
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So we would keep going out with all these groups. And the Mandales. You hung out with them. Came back from Nashville.
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So we're like we need to just go hang out together alone. Like a bro date and then you were like well we want a sis date.
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So here's what we did. It was crazy. So we got together. We did it on what Tuesday night I think it was.
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But we were going to drive over to Bernie which is like 30 minutes. 25-30 minutes from our house. So they came out to our house together.
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We got in separate cars. And went to two separate restaurants. So me and Adam got in a car. You and Tina got in one of the cars.
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Drove to Bernie together and then we split off because y'all went to one restaurant. We went to another and then we met back at the house later.
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Ours was better. It probably was. Ours steak was over the top.
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Mine was good but I think you probably yeah. I think y'all hit a home run.
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It's my favorite place. Beef steak in Bernie is phenomenal. Ours was a base hit but not a home run.
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I'm going to plug beef steak in Bernie. It's my new favorite restaurant in Bernie.
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It's really great. If you're a meat eater, oh my gosh. It's meat heaven.
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So anyway we had a great time. Of course both of us. We got back. We're all buzzing because we've been talking for hours nonstop.
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But that's just such a cool time. We value those things.
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And then the last thing I want to share is I'm reading a book that has been very has really impacted me.
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It's a book by Eric. I don't have to read it because you just share it with me.
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Oh totally. I'm sharing it with the church too. Eric Metaxas wrote a book called Letter to the American Church. And if you are a pastor or a leader or spiritual leader or just you're a follower of Jesus and you want to have your eyes open to what's going on in our world right now in government and politics.
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It's not like a heavy political book. It's just talking about how the culture got to a point in the 1930s in Germany that looks very similar to our culture right now.
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And he's shooting a...it's taking a shot over the bow to say we better wake up because things are not good right now.
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Which means we as believers and followers of Jesus, apprentices of Christ, this is our time to step up, open our mouths and speak up.
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So stand up, speak up and speak out. So you're reading the book but then we found out there is a documentary. Yes and we watched that. It's kind of like the cliff notes of the book.
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Which meant I didn't have to read it. I could watch the documentary. We watched it twice. I'll watch it again. And you have to get it on epochtimes.com.
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We downloaded it. It was $9.99. It's worth every penny. We've watched it multiple times. I want to watch it again. So either get the book, The Taxes, Letter to the American Church or go and watch the documentary on epochtimes.
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It's easy. It's just a broad browser. I mean you just pull it up. So those are massively impacting me. And then Dr. Rick Scarborough's book you're reading.
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Oh, I'm reading another book by Rick Scarborough. I have the title because it's not sitting in front of me. I met with Dr. Rick Scarborough who is a huge voice from the Christian standpoint of saying we've got to bring our nation back to biblical, conservative values.
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Our founding fathers. We're pastors. Hello. Most of the signers or over half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were pastors.
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Our government right now wants to do away with all Christianity. Anything that has to do with the nuclear family.
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Well, and they do it based on the separation of church and state, which was set up by the founding fathers who were pastors.
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It was set up so that to protect the churches and Christianity from tyranny. It was to protect them from government.
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But now the government has flipped it and now they're trying to protect themselves from us. Yes. And that's wrong. It's not how it was meant to be.
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So we're returning things to their values. I'm preaching that every Sunday from the pulpit. Boy, are you calling things out.
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Yeah, I think I love that someone came to one of our pastors and said, y'all need to pray over Jimmy and Pastor Jimmy and that because they need protection because of what he's preaching in the pulpit.
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And that right there just gave it. I felt protected knowing that she brought that up.
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So we're speaking out. We're standing up and we're speaking up. And because we have to. We don't have a choice. We don't have a choice.
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As followers of Christ, we have an obligation. Yeah, we have an obligation to speak truth into the culture. We speak it with love, but we speak it firmly.
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We say what needs to be said. Absolutely. I did a sermon last week and basically the gist of it was we need to call sin, sin. We need to call spade a spade.
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And so check out that sermon. If you in others, it's called Mind Wars is the series because that's what the enemy is after the real estate.
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So excited you're doing this. So it's called Mind Wars and you go to a bridge FBG.com bridge FBG.com and you can find that you scroll down on the front page there and you can listen.
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So, wow, we blew through this podcast. Yes, we're on speed speed dial right now. So anything going out that you want to share with our friends?
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No, I think that's good. I think we've got to get to a staff meeting now. Hey, we love you guys. We love you so much.
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You go to living up in a down world bridge FBG.com and sign up because we want to stay in touch and do send us any questions about your faith journey.
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We want to help you in your walk with God. Well, that does it for today. We got a full day ahead of us. It's only nine twelve a.m.
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We've got a full day of meetings and you know what? We get to do this because we're living up in a down world. Love you, baby. Gorgeous.
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Hey, you guys have an amazing week on purpose. We are out of here.
