May 14, 2025

"7 Mountains, 1 Mission: The Mandate to Impact Culture 🏔️"

"7 Mountains, 1 Mission: The Mandate to Impact Culture 🏔️"
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This is Jimmy and Annette and we want to welcome

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you to Living Up and Down World. This is our

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podcast that we've been doing. We're on like

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episode 98 or 9. I think we're 99. Wait, are

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you sure we're not at over 100? No, we're at

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99 right now. So we want to welcome you. Glad

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that you're with us today. We're going to be

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short to the point, but we want to talk about

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something that's really important to us. And

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it started with a trip out to Colorado. Where

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do we go? Went to Colorado Springs, Colorado

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to a Flashpoint live event, which was our first

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one that we've attended. And we've watched it

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on TV on streaming. But this was. And boy, when

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you can go to a place and be in the atmosphere

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that we were in, it changes everything. It's

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like church. You can watch it online or you can

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go to church and you will feel the presence of

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God. Not that you can't at home, but there is

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a collective presence that you feel with others

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that is amazing. So it was a wonderful trip.

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Great trip. Flashpoint Live. That's Gene Bailey

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and his team, Lance Wallnau, Rick Green. Hank

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Kudeman. Yeah, several different. And then they

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have different guests that they bring in. Amazing

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commentary from a biblical worldview on what's

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going on in our world. And we call that cultural

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engagement. And one of the things we've come

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to learn really over the last few years is how

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much the entire Bible is cultural engagement.

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It's 100 percent. It's taking the gospel, the

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good news of Jesus Christ. into culture, every

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arena of culture and being salt and light. Can

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I read a scripture? Yes, absolutely. All right,

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check this out. This is out of Matthew chapter

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five, part of the Sermon on the Mount. And it's

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a teaching about salt and light. And this is

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what the scripture says. This is Jesus teaching.

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He says, you are the salt of the earth, but what

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good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you

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make it salty again? It will be thrown out and

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trampled underfoot or as worthless. You are the

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light of the world, like a city on a hilltop

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that cannot be hidden. No one lights a lamp,

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then puts it under a basket. Instead, a lamp

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is placed on a stand where it gives light to

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everyone in the house. In the same way, let your

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good deeds shine out for all to see so that everyone

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will praise your heavenly Father. So this idea

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that Jesus was teaching that, you know, we know

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from the Great Commission in Matthew 28 that

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we're to go and as we're going, we're to make

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disciples of all the nations. It's called discipling

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the nations. This was pre. Great commission.

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This is when Jesus started his ministry. And

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he's addressing in this Sermon on the Mount out

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on the Lake of Galilee, beautiful place. And

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he's telling them that we have a responsibility

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to be salt and to be light. And here's what we

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know about salt and light. Whatever is touched

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or exposed to salt and light changes. Right.

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Nothing can stay the same when it's exposed.

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That's why we can't eat steak without salt. No

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doubt. We can't even drink water without salt

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these days. Lots of sodium. Right. Stay salty,

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right? And so being salt and light in this culture,

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again, we call it cultural engagement. And it

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is where we go out into the world as salt, as

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light. The light exposes. It illuminates. It

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shows the way. Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth,

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and the light. And so it shows the way to Christ.

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And then the salty part, salt preserves, salt

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flavors, salt enhances. It brings out. So there's

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so many impact moments when you talk about salt

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and light. So we go out to the Flashpoint. It

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was out at Karis Bible College up in Woodland

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Park, Colorado. Beautiful, beautiful area. Stunning

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campus. Stunning campus, yes. Major. And Pastor

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Brian and Naomi, his wife, got to go with us.

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So we go out there. There's roughly, I would

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guess, around 2 ,500 people. Probably so. Around

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2 ,500, maybe 3 ,000. A lot of people. Huge.

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Amazing place. And Lance Wallnau was one of the

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speakers of the group, and he talks about this

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thing that he calls the Seven Mountain Mandate.

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Yes. So let's talk a little bit about that. Do

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you have the Seven Mountains written down there?

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I do. Show what those are. The Seven Mountains

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are media, family, arts and entertainment, economy,

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religion, education, and government. So those

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are seven mountains that represent our culture.

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This is what society is made up of. And this

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has been talked about in sociological classes,

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sociology, social studies. I had a teacher come

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to me on Sunday morning after the service and

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say, this is something that I've taught to my

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students. So sometimes you'll hear it called

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the seven pillars or the seven spheres. Lance

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Wall now came out about 30 years ago and he.

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taking from a scripture out of the Old Testament,

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it's a prophetic scripture, I don't have it in

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front of me, talking about the mountains. And

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so he likens these to a seven mountain strategy

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or seven mountain mandate. And I'm doing a Bible

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study right now called Restore Seven, I believe

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it is what it's called. But they talk about the

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demonic strategy on the mountains. of these particular

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mountains. There's a demonic strategy to tear

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down all seven of these mountains, which is very

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interesting because God has his own strategy,

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but the enemy has his strategy as well. And somebody's

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going to win. It's all going to depend on who.

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And if we know our identity in Christ, we can

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win over these strategies. But if we don't, we

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will succumb to the enemy's strategy of taking

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us down. That's very well said. One of the things

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that I say a lot is, is that we have got to get

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our voice back in the public square. Absolutely.

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And I say our voice, I mean, as Christians. Yes.

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Here in America, as the Church of Jesus Christ.

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And not put our head in the sand. Right. And

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not capitulate and give over to what the culture

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is doing. And I talk to so many people, pastors,

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individuals who say things like, yeah, but we're

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here to teach the Bible. And yet the Bible is,

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the Bible hits all seven of these mountains on

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an ongoing basis. You read the Old Testament

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cover to cover and the New Testament, and everything

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was about engaging the kings, engaging government,

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engaging civil government, local government,

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religious government. Yes. Everything has to

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do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you think

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of it in terms of a flood. When there's a flood

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that happens, a flash flood, anything that's

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in the path of water will be touched. Absolutely.

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It's the same way. The gospel is to flood the

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earth. And we don't live in a synagogue with

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Jesus and the Holy Spirit God right there. We

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live out in the world where we are to be salt

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and light. And so we have to know how to navigate

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the world, the culture that we live in. recognize

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that these seven mountains exist. And that, I

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don't know why pastors will not go there on this.

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So I heard this statistic while we're at the

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conference. I think it was Jean Bailey who said

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this, said that only 10 % of churches. in America

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are actually engaged in cultural engagement,

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in actually impacting these mountains, impacting

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the mountains of media, family, all these different

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government, all these different areas. Only 10

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% are doing it, which is unconscionable. It's

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criminal. Yes. And pastors and churches, people

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are going to have to stand before God one day

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and give an account when he says, why did you

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not do what I told you to do? That was to go

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into all the world, preach the gospel, baptize

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people in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy

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Spirit. But why did you not go out and be the

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salt and light that I called you to be? Why did

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you just hover in one area and not get outside

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of the church? Case in point, which is why we

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started the Life Enrichment Center. Back in 2000,

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I think it was 10 or 6, no, it was 6, 7. Because

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we wanted to get outside of the walls of the

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church. You were preaching, and I was preaching

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a little bit, teaching and preaching in the church.

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But we were like, how are we going to affect

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people and get the gospel out without them knowing

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we're getting the gospel out? outside of the

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walls of the church to people that will never

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step into a church. And thus we started the Life

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Enrichment Center and went into the schools,

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taught abstinence education from a biblical standpoint,

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but they didn't even, we didn't use, okay, go

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to chapter three in Roman. You know, we didn't

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do that. We just gave them what is. biblical,

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what's the biblical worldview, and just couched

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it in a pill that they could handle. And we saw

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a massive fruit from that. Oh my goodness. It

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was unbelievable. We taught that to anywhere

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between 11 ,000 and 13 ,000 students in the Central

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Texas area. Pastor Brian Mandel was with us.

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He was a part of that. Our kids were with us.

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But that many students, we were able to go in

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and impact in the public school system, bringing

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the gospel. The way I like to say it is putting

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the go. In the gospel, the first two letters

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of gospel are go. Jesus said, go. And that's

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the education mountain right there. We were educating

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these kids into what God's word says about how

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they're to live their life and how they will

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have freedom in their life. So let me read to

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you the basic definition of seven mountain mandate.

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Seven mountain prayer strategy or mandate identifies

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seven key spheres or pillars or mountains. Of

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influence and culture that we must move or impact.

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Jesus spoke, if you say to this mountain, be

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moved, it shall be moved or impact in order to

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transform our nation and shape the culture. God

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has called us to be culture shapers. Yes. Difference

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makers, world changers. This is who we're called

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to be. We're not called to come here, sit for

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60, 70, 80 years, twiddle our thumbs, waiting

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for Jesus either to come back for a second coming

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or. We're just waiting for the end to come for

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us. So I can die and be with Jesus in heaven.

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He's given us orders. He's given us marching

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orders. And it's the B -I -B -L -E, right? The

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Bible, basic instructions before leaving earth.

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Yes. This is what we're supposed to do. I love

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that. Who came up with that? I don't know. I

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heard it in a song. Oh, you did? Yeah. I heard

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that when I was a child. Heard it in a song.

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So anyway, that's our call. It's our mission.

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So we have a mission and we call it a mandate

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or a commission. The commission means like if

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an officer commissions you. That's sending you

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out on a mission. That's what it is. We call

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it being missional in the church. But really,

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it's a mandate. It's an order that we're getting

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from God to go out. And so when people say things

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like that, man, pastor, and I remember back when

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I first started speaking up on this, somebody

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said, oh, you've got to be careful, but I'm worried

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about you getting political. And I'm like. Getting

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political. We live in this world. The Bible is

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all political. Well, think about what politics

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touches. All these areas that we just listed,

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plus your food, your medical care, everything.

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Everything. Everything is touched by that. So

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it's not getting political. We live in a political

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world. So if we're going to be salt and light

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to the culture, to society. to the world, then

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that means we have to engage politics, which

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means we should be pushing for, arbitrating for,

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debating for, voting for policies and platforms

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that support a biblical worldview, a Christian

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worldview. And if you look at the laws today

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that man has made that go against God's word

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and we were silent, we didn't vote. According

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to what the Bible says, we didn't vote at all.

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They just became policies. And we allowed the

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people outside of the church to make the laws

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and vote. And we just sat on our blessed assurance

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and let things happen. Yeah. And now look what

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happened. And now look. And it's because we let

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things happen. We have become. We didn't speak

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up. Yes, we have become a Sodom and Gomorrah.

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And you know what happened there. But here's

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what's tragic. Now that some of us, our eyes

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are open, we've had an awakening of sorts, and

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we're beginning to speak out. Now we're being

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told by other Christians, you shouldn't do that.

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And I remember somebody patting me on the shoulder

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real condescending. Oh, you're that patriot pastor.

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And I'm like, you bet I am. Call me a Christian

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nationalist. I don't care. The point is, is that

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I'm here to put the go in gospel, which means

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I'm here to impact church, family, education,

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government, media, arts, entertainment, business.

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I'm here to impact those with the gospel of Jesus

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Christ and take those mountains. Exactly. We

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need to move mountains. I know this sounds like

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real 30 ,000 foot level stuff. This is big picture

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stuff. But how does it now we got to boil it

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down to where people live. Right. First of all,

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we need to be educated. We need to know what's

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going on. I would encourage everyone to go watch,

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start watching Flashpoint. It's easy to find.

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You just Google Flashpoint USA. It'll take you

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right to their website, and you'll see the platforms.

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Or fparmy .com now. fparmy .com is actually the

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website. Yes. And it's on now Monday, Tuesday,

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and Thursday nights. And it's Rick Green, who's

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a dear friend of ours, part of our church. One

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hour. And it will tell you what's going on this

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week in the news. And what God says about this.

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Exactly. From a biblical worldview and from a

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scriptural worldview. It's really informative.

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So that's a good way to get informed on kind

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of what's going on. And they all kind of chime

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in with their various expertise. Rick Green is

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considered America's constitutional coach. With

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David Barton and Tim. Yeah, those guys are amazing.

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And so anyway, they chime in and they let you

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know what's going on. Now, what that boils down

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to is. What is our role in this? And we have

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to ask the question, God, what would you have

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me do? And one of the things I've been saying

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lately is, first of all, say yes to Jesus before

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you even know what the question is. Just start

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saying yes to Jesus. He will begin to order your

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steps, arrange your situations, and actually

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put you in scenarios where you go, wait, I'm

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supposed to be here. Wait, I'm supposed to say

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something. Okay. But if you can't. do anything

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that, and physically. So let's start with number

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one. Okay. Number one is prayer. That was probably

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my takeaway going to this conference this week,

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last weekend was. That should be number one.

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We need to pray for this nation. We need to pray

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for the leaders. You do this every Sunday. But

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in our private prayer life, that needs to be

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one of the first things we pray for because the

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laws that are being made and the steps that are

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being made that are taking us away from the Constitution,

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away from... The Bible are so important that

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we need to pray against those things and know

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our authority as believers in how to pray for

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God's will to be done. And so to me, that should

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be a given because people always go, well, I

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don't. I can't run for city council. I don't

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live in my city. Like for us, we don't live in

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Fredericksburg proper. We live in comfort. We

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don't know much about what's going on in Kerrville

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and Bernie and those areas. We know Fred, but

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we can't vote here. So what do we do? We can

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pray. So let me give just a real helpful thing

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on that because I want to give everyone an action

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point because you're thinking, wow, that's real

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30 ,000 foot level stuff. That's really great.

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We've got to move mountains. How do we do that?

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Well, here's how you do it. I want to read this

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to you. This is something I shared on Sunday.

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Remember to pray for wisdom, discernment, and

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godly strategies to bring our nation back to

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God's intended foundations of faith, family,

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and freedom. And here's how you can do that.

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You can take these points, these seven mountain

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points, and I'll put them on. I'll pop them into

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the newsletter. So you'll have those. So if you

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don't have our newsletter, go to it and subscribe

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at living up in a down world dot com and subscribe

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to our newsletter. I'm going to put those in

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the newsletter. So you'll have that and and go

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there. And then you just read those, just literally

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put those before the Lord. You can pull them

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up like on your phone or however you keep yours.

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You may have them written down. And you say,

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Lord, in the name of Jesus, I am praying into

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these mountains. And I pray into the mountain

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of religion or church. I pray into the mountain

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of family. I pray into the mountain of education.

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You can begin as simple as that. Pray through

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those seven mountains for what I just said, for

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wisdom and strategy on how to move those mountains.

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Now listen, you don't have to have all the details

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to pray. That's the thing that sometimes stops

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us from praying. We don't know what to say. You

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don't have to say a bunch of stuff. Bring it

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before the Lord. Just say, Lord, I'm bringing

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this before you. We want God's wisdom in it,

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not man's anyway. So I don't want to pray my

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wisdom. I want to pray his wisdom into these

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situations. So that's what we're inviting you

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to do. I hate to say homework assignment because

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that'll knock about half of you out already because

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you resisted in high school. But I'm going to

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say. This is your assignment. I want you to pray

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into these seven mountains and begin to ask the

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Lord and then ask him a simple question. Say,

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Lord, what does that mean for me? What is my

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responsibility? Okay, I will receive the mandate

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to pray. I'm going to do that. I'll pray. And

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that's your starting point. And then the second

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thing I would ask for you to do is just say yes

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to Jesus. No matter what the, don't worry about

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the question. Oh, but there, people are afraid

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of that. He's going to make me go to Zimbabwe.

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I just know it. But if he does, you're supposed

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to go there and it would be blessed and you'll

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be the greatest. People are afraid that God's

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going to put them in a situation that they're

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not ready for. This is the misnomer is God won't

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put us into anything that he doesn't get us ready

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for. That's right. So don't be afraid to say

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yes, because he's going to lead you into things

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that he's already equipped you. to engage. It

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won't be like he's just, you know, you know,

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one of those nose rings that the bulls had. It's

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not that at all. He will lead you and you'll

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be in a situation. You won't even realize you're

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there until you're there and you're like, wait,

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I'm supposed to be here or wait, maybe I should

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say something in this conversation or maybe I

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have something to bring. All that happens. But

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we do that by trusting him, walking by faith

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and not by sight. So number one, pray into the

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seven mountains. Number two, say yes to Jesus.

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Just give him your yes. That's it. That's how

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simple it is. And when you do that, he'll show

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you what to do. And it could be that you, you

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know, go into city council or, you know, get

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on the school board or it may be just show up.

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Maybe you're just supposed to be there or you're

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just supposed to pray. You know, that's the thing.

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We always think God's going to call us to some

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big thing, and it may be just to pray. When I

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was in Abilene, Pastor Rich and I. would go to

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the city council meetings. Sometimes I would

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open those meetings up in prayer. They would

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invite me to do that. But even when I didn't,

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if I had time, I went anyway. And I would just

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sit there and pray. Because you wanted to know

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what was going on. Well, it was informative.

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It let me know what's going on in the city. And

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it informed my prayers because I was able to

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pray. But I would pray while I was there. In

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the atmosphere, just say, Lord, I just pray for

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the—I wouldn't say it out loud. Nobody even knew

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I was praying. Inside, I'd say, Lord, thank you

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for these city council people that are up there.

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Bless them. Give them wisdom. Give them strategic

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thinking. Father, we have issues our city needs

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to address. Would you lace this atmosphere with

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your presence so that the decisions that are

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made in this room are made in the context? And

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the milieu of the Holy Spirit. I mean, it's super

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simple. And then God put it on your heart to

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go meet with the mayor, which you had never done.

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Which I started doing. And you said yes. Yeah,

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I just said yes. And it ended up being beautiful.

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Oh, it was an amazing relationship. Beautiful

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relationship. Yeah, God thing. Total God thing.

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Because the mayor, when you said I wanted to

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set up an appointment, automatically the first

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response was, what are you going to complain

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about? Yeah, he thought he was in trouble. Grady,

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I am not complaining. I want to come pray with

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you. How can I bless you? He was blown away.

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That's all I said. When he ended up retiring

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later on, he called you to be there for his retirement

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and to pray. And that was beautiful. And he introduced

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me as his pastor. Yes, even though he didn't

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come to our church, although we had him once

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come in and speak. But it was a beautiful relationship,

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and it got you involved in politics there. But

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all that happened, the only thing I did was show

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up. There was nothing I didn't like. insert myself

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in anything. I didn't ask somebody to nominate

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me for a position. I just showed up. And when

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you show up, you're bringing Christ with you.

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You're bringing the Holy Spirit with you. You're

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bringing the one who created the earth with you

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into that presence and he can use that. And so

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just show up. Yeah. Yeah. It was beautiful. How's

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that? I saw you blossom. Yeah. It brought life

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to me. It took you to new places spiritually

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because you stepped out of your comfort zone.

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And it became your comfort zone. It's happening

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again. And it's happening. And I think that's

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the precedent for today, for you stepping out

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now and being comfortable and going, you know

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what? I'm doing what God's called me to do, regardless

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of what could happen to our church, what happens

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with people and leaving or whatever. You're like,

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no, God's going to take care of us no matter

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what, because I'm stepping into the things that

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God wants me to. So let me talk to just normal

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people like us. Average Joes, right? You think

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we're normal? We're normal, whatever normal is,

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right? Just normal people who maybe are not feel

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like I'm called to politics or I'm called to

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preach from a pulpit or any of those kinds of

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things or lead a church. I work a job. I'm a

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housewife. I'm a mom, whatever. I'm a dad. So

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to you, I would say this. The thing that you

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can do and is the most important thing you could

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ever do, and that is to pray and to pray into

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these seven mountains. Pray over your city. Pray

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over it. It wouldn't even hurt to go on your

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city website and look at your city council members.

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The pictures are there. And pray for them. Their

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names and pray for them by name. Pray for salvation

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first. Yes, pray they come to Jesus. We don't

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know that everyone that's... Oh, no, of course.

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So that's the most important thing you can do.

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And the other thing you can do is simply just

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ask the Lord, Lord, what is my role? What is

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my part in this? And just listen. And then obey

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when he tells you to do something. It's not complicated

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to follow Jesus. And you may not hear anything

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right away, but here's the thing we do know we're

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supposed to do is we're supposed to pray and

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we're supposed to be salt and light. So we want

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to invite you into this. This is a great adventure.

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I've been saying this over and over. I'm beating

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this drum. This is the greatest adventure ever.

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And I even said it kind of strongly one Sunday.

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I said, I was kind of nervous about what you

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said. If Jesus is boring to you and following

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Jesus is boring to you and the Bible is boring

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to you, I don't even know if you're a Christian.

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Because following Jesus is the most exciting

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thing there is on the planet. It's not just religion.

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It's not just something we do to get our card

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punched. It's literally Christ is our life. And

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I want to encourage you in that today. And I

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think we should pray. On the way out. Go ahead.

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And so we kind of made this one to the point.

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I do want to encourage you to watch our friends'

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podcast, Adam and Tina Curry, Curry and the Keeper,

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two of our dearest friends. And really the reason

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why we're even doing podcasts is because of Adam

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and Tina inviting us into this space. Definitely

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want to give them credit. So we hope you're encouraged

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today. Salt and light. Say yes to Jesus and pray.

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Want to pray on the way out? Yeah, go ahead.

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All right, let's pray right now. Father, in Jesus'

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name, what a privilege it is. We just say yes

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to you. We just say yes. And we invite you into

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our life to fill us so that our buckets are full

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and overflowing, that everywhere we go, we're

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leaking out this life that is in us. I pray for

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our friends that are watching or listening to

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this podcast and that you would inspire them,

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first of all, to pray, second of all, to say

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yes, and third, show up and just be ready. That's

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it. It's super simple. And I'm asking for your

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grace for them. Father, I know there'll be people

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who are watching this who feel like they're unworthy

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or unable to do these things. And yet, Lord,

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you make us worthy. You make us righteous according

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to your word. We are the righteousness of God

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in Christ Jesus. So thank you for making us right,

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even when we don't feel like we're right. And

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Father, for any of our friends that listen and

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they've never taken the step to go all in with

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Jesus, I would ask for that by your grace and

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your mercy and your power. that you would draw

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them closer to yourself so that they can take

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that step to become a follower of Jesus and surrender

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to the greatest adventure and journey they'll

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ever be on in their life. We pray these things

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in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Thanks for joining

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us today. Any last words on the way out? I just

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want to thank people that have been giving lately,

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James Barron, Steve and Wise. Just we really

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appreciate your gifts. So many. Adam Curry, others.

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Oh, yeah. Thank you. That's a big deal. Yeah.

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Thank you guys for supporting us and hope you're

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encouraged today. Let's go out and make a difference

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this week on purpose.